Alex Kilbee (The Photographic Eye) online courses review

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Some may be familiar with Alex Kilbee's you tube channel. https://www.youtube.com/c/thephotographiceye/about

I'm not sure how long he has offered these two courses, but I decided to have a look at them a week or so ago and ended up buying them. I spend a fair amount of money on courses, as I prefer the structured approach of a course rather than the ad hoc looking for things on youtube (which I also do).

Both courses are on the teachable platform and are:

Learning to see


The Authentic vision framework



Learning to see reflects his youtube channel and introduces how we see; awareness; discovering light; form shape and texture; seeking out and seeing images; going with your gut; and a word about gear. It's roughly an hour an three quarters and has nothing about the technical side of photography. If you watch his youtube channel you will recognise the approach of using well known and not so well known images to help explain how you can "learn to see"

The Authentic Vision Framework, is related to the above but reflects on his personal experience of "rediscovering your [his] authentic voice" in his photographs after years of commercial photography where his photographs have been made for other people. This short course (62 minutes) covers the idea of spring cleaning your existing photography to start afresh, identifying the photographs that you find the most inspiring and using these to help consolidate what you want from your own photography. Developing a personal style, including an awareness of technique and experimentation is also discussed. Avoiding blindly following trends is touched on, as well as the importance of getting good quality critiques of your work.

Pricing was a little complex, as "Learning to see", comes free ($42 on it's own) with The Authentic Vision Framework, and Teachable were offering a 20% "cost of living" or "inflation" discount (I can't properly remember what they called it) when I bought it, so the total price after converting to GBP was £35.92 for both courses.

To be frank, I'm not sure I actually learnt anything particularly new (other than some of Alex's personal experiences) from either course, but I'm a veteran of Alex's youtube channel, a veteran of similar courses and youtube channels, and fairly well read in the aspects of photography these courses cover.

But, I still found them valuable in that the structured approach and arguments still made me revisit and rethink some of my own approaches. e.g. I signed up to Pinterest years ago with the idea of gathering together a personal reference collection of photographs from the web that inspired me. I never actually followed this up, but it's one of the suggestion in the course, And, after some difficulty in logging in, as its' been years since I had last logged in, I've made a start at pulling together a private reference collection on Pinterest.

I'm reluctant to unreservedly recommend any course for others, as everyone has different expectations, and ideas about value for money. For me, it was worth the £36, and I think the two courses together do a good job of giving you what they say they do. Albeit, a little superficially, given how short the courses are, but this might be a good thing, as it also means they are quick to work through and put into practice. You could spend a lot of time trying gather together the equivalent of these courses if you were to rely on pulling this information together from reading or Youtubing.

If you are at a stage in your personal photography where you want to get a better understanding of how photographs "work" and at a stage where you feel your photography should better express your personal vision of the world, but not sure how to do it, I think these courses will be useful. For the more established photographer, with a good understanding of how photographs work who also understands their personal photographic aims and objectives, I'm not so sure.

But, to suggest the obvious, make sure you check Alex's Youtube channel to see if his approach is likely to suit you, and read the links to the courses, which have more details.

In the AVF course Alex shows/discusses some photographs he has been recently taking in public spaces (e.g. airports) as part of him"rediscovering" his authentic voice. There is a discussion and critique of these photographs here:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6Od84jD9Lk
 
Thanks for that. I've wondered what his courses are like. However, being a skinflint who would never pay for a course by anyone you haven't actually saved me any money.

I started following his channel shortly after it stated but (I think) he keeps repeating the same'message' so only dip in occasionally now. His photographer features are pretty good but he has made a couple of factual errors in them which seemed more like sloppiness in research than anything. Rushing out too much content?

He's a likeable presenter and enthusiastic about photography and photographs, rather than about campervans or navel gazing. :D
 
Thanks for that. I've wondered what his courses are like. However, being a skinflint who would never pay for a course by anyone you haven't actually saved me any money.

I started following his channel shortly after it stated but (I think) he keeps repeating the same'message' so only dip in occasionally now. His photographer features are pretty good but he has made a couple of factual errors in them which seemed more like sloppiness in research than anything. Rushing out too much content?

He's a likeable presenter and enthusiastic about photography and photographs, rather than about campervans or navel gazing. :D
I'm not sure the courses are really aimed at people like you :).

I have a handful of youtube channels I feel are worth watching, even if the quality of each video varies a bit.. The Photographic Eye is one of them, but I now only "dip into' some others, such asTed Forbes, since he started doing gear reviews, instead of watching every episode as I used to.

It's a fairly regular complaint from YouTubers that the algorithms favour quantity over quality, and its difficult if youtube is part of your business plan to make it pay. If I remember correctly Alex has now given up his portrait business.
 
I'm not sure the courses are really aimed at people like you :).
I was chatting with the late manager of my local camera shop once when she said, "Yes, but you're not a normal photographer." I took it as a compliment. ;)

I like watching Ted Forbes's 'reviews' of the zines and books he gets sent, and he has done some interviews in the past which were worth a watch.
 
I was chatting with the late manager of my local camera shop once when she said, "Yes, but you're not a normal photographer." I took it as a compliment. ;)
People don't usually bother with the "photographer" part when they say things like this to me !
I like watching Ted Forbes's 'reviews' of the zines and books he gets sent, and he has done some interviews in the past which were worth a watch.
Those are the ones I regularly watch.
 
For a beginner like myself, I love the content he makes. It's refreshing compared to the usual "10 TRICKS TO MAKE YOU A PRO IN ONE DAY!!!11ELEVEN" kind of videos. It's true that he mostly repeats the same concepts, but I think it's still a very good content creator to watch.

I did both courses (well I'm halfway through Learn to See), and I found them interesting and it's what actually pushed me trying more things with my camera rather than focusing just on how sharp an image can be and if it's not 100% sharp it's therefore crap, like most other channels would make you believe (not that there's anything wrong trying to have a sharp image, but you get what I mean). Plus I'm learning a lot about the great photographers, which is super nice,

One downside to me it's his community platforms. They are kinda dead. I tried reaching him to understand if he's meaning to bring them back to life with some events, but to no avail, as he hasn't replied in any of them (his private "The Photographic Eye" paid for community, and the free Discord). That's a bummer because I think it would become a great learning place that is not just as chaotic as other discord servers I've been into.
 
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For a beginner like myself, I love the content he makes. It's refreshing compared to the usual "10 TRICKS TO MAKE YOU A PRO IN ONE DAY!!!11ELEVEN" kind of videos. It's true that he mostly repeats the same concepts, but I think it's still a very good content creator to watch.

I did both courses (well I'm halfway through Learn to See), and I found them interesting and it's what actually pushed me trying more things with my camera rather than focusing just on how sharp an image can be and if it's not 100% sharp it's therefore crap, like most other channels would make you believe (not that there's anything wrong trying to have a sharp image, but you get what I mean). Plus I'm learning a lot about the great photographers, which is super nice,

One downside to me it's his community platforms. They are kinda dead. I tried reaching him to understand if he's meaning to bring them back to life with some events, but to no avail, as he hasn't replied in any of them (his private "The Photographic Eye" paid for community, and the free Discord). That's a bummer because I think it would become a great learning place that is not just as chaotic as other discord servers I've been into.
I haven't paid any attention to his community platforms, but I think these things are difficult to get going without a tremendous amount of work, until they gain a momentum of their own.
 
I've been watching his videos since soon after they started and have got some value out of putting myself in his situation as he thinks out loud about various aspects of photography.

I nearly stopped watching when he said in one video that he couldn't see why Vivian Meyer was so popular as he thought she wasn't all that good at street photography (my words based on recollection, not his). He even used what I consider to be one of her masterpieces of street photography to illustrate the point.

In a much more recent video he used her as a good example of street photography, without even blinking, much less pointing out that he'd changed his mind. Of course, he might have done that in a video that I missed, so if I'm maligning him I'd offer my immediate apologies.

Anyway, he does make a lot of sense a lot of the time, so I still recommend him to newcomers.
 
I haven't paid any attention to his community platforms, but I think these things are difficult to get going without a tremendous amount of work, until they gain a momentum of their own.

Yeah I'm well aware of that, having tried in the past without too much success. My issue with Alex's current platforms is that he seems to be completely absent from them, although he's still technically selling the private one as part of his memberships perks with youtube or patreon. That annoys me a bit, because you would at least expect some sort of presence from the content creator, especially at the beginning phases where as you said the community hasn't got the momentum to self sustain yet.

Now, he may very well have abandoned the idea for any reason, maybe he just doesn't like it, which is absolutely fine, but I would at least stop advertising it as a perk of membership and just put a "if you want to support the content creation, subscribe" kind of message.

In short, and back on topic for the review: I'm happy about content and courses, less so about the community so I would caution people against joining until things are better.
 
Yeah I'm well aware of that, having tried in the past without too much success. My issue with Alex's current platforms is that he seems to be completely absent from them, although he's still technically selling the private one as part of his memberships perks with youtube or patreon. That annoys me a bit, because you would at least expect some sort of presence from the content creator, especially at the beginning phases where as you said the community hasn't got the momentum to self sustain yet.
He also seems o be absent from his facebook group, which I signed up to. I get the impression he is still working out how he is going to try and run things. But I agree it would be nice to see more from him in these social media platforms, especially his paid for ones.
Now, he may very well have abandoned the idea for any reason, maybe he just doesn't like it, which is absolutely fine, but I would at least stop advertising it as a perk of membership and just put a "if you want to support the content creation, subscribe" kind of message.

In short, and back on topic for the review: I'm happy about content and courses, less so about the community so I would caution people against joining until things are better.
 
I've been following his Youtube Channel for a while now, seems a nice bloke. but does go on about photoschool a bit much, More humour with Scott at Tin House studio and the Harry Borden youtube videos are a great isnight into managing people and places. I've been thinking of setting up my own channel, but I've been a bit too busy of late ( I work in print media, Xmas issue and all that), Learning from Alex et al what makes a good channnel. I've no real interest in gear, I've way too much stuff, most of it is photo-archaeology at this stage, but my Nikon D70 and Pentax*st D still take great pictures 20 years on.
 
He also seems o be absent from his facebook group, which I signed up to. I get the impression he is still working out how he is going to try and run things. But I agree it would be nice to see more from him in these social media platforms, especially his paid for ones.
I'm on his Facebook group, the one picture in 24 hours is a bit of drawback, miss and hour in your schedule and it all goes off kilter. Lately I've found the activity on the FB page to be mniimal, with very little discussion. Not too bad, one street photography FB group I was on was very nasty, seemed to be run by a bloke who was grifting street photography walks for cash in London.
 
I'm on his Facebook group, the one picture in 24 hours is a bit of drawback, miss and hour in your schedule and it all goes off kilter. Lately I've found the activity on the FB page to be mniimal, with very little discussion. Not too bad, one street photography FB group I was on was very nasty, seemed to be run by a bloke who was grifting street photography walks for cash in London.
Both Alex and Scott are now promoting their own private, paid for, online communities, while still saying their Youtube channels will continue in a limited form.


 
I've watched some of his videos, kitchen and coffee style, and found them mostly interesting but very 'samey' (is that a word?).
I can understand him following the example of other youtubers in having a paid membership but I don't think it's for me ... in fact if it involves photos of urinals, I'm sure it isn't for me! :exit:
 
I've watched some of his videos, kitchen and coffee style, and found them mostly interesting but very 'samey' (is that a word?).
I can understand him following the example of other youtubers in having a paid membership but I don't think it's for me ... in fact if it involves photos of urinals, I'm sure it isn't for me! :exit:
For me, it's a lot of money to devote to a single source of information, even if there are interviews and forums attached to it . But several people I regularly follow have paid options, or thinking about it. All at about the $20 a month level.
 
Like anything it's worth it if you get something out of it and I'm sure a lot of people do.

However you have to think what is reason for using them I would imagine the majority of people giving feedback here are quite knowable regarding photography, I would assume the some (if not most) of the people viewing these channels are looking for inspiration.

These on line tutorials can be brilliant. in my day the only information came from books and going out spending money on film and equipment and using it.

But there is nothing like going out to a new location and seeing it a fresh.
 
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