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I am still using DXO PL4. It's fine and for what I do does everything I need.
and please use their services
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Heads up if anyone is looking at getting Capture One Pro:
www.talkphotography.co.uk
Works out to be about £110.
Capture One Pro $140 at B&H
Just a heads up if anyone is looking at buying Capture One Pro it is for $140 on B&H once the $160 coupon has been taken off. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1611906-REG/capture_one_88200202_pro_21_download.html Edit: When look at the site it stats Capture One Pro 23 so not 100% sure it...
www.talkphotography.co.uk
Works out to be about £110.
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Thanks Gramps. Just what I needed to know. I couldn't get past all the creativity aspect. And I couldn't imagine myself using that. Just bread and butter, is what I need.
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Ignoring any Americanisms like 'awesome' or 'heads up', you are in the UK & bought it there? How did that work out? Serious double question.Heads up if anyone is looking at getting Capture One Pro:
Capture One Pro $140 at B&H
Just a heads up if anyone is looking at buying Capture One Pro it is for $140 on B&H once the $160 coupon has been taken off. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1611906-REG/capture_one_88200202_pro_21_download.html Edit: When look at the site it stats Capture One Pro 23 so not 100% sure it...
Works out to be about £110.
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Buying was straight forward, I just paid with my Halifax Clarity Card which does not charge anything additional for a foreign transaction.
Key was emailed to me a few minutes later.
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I don't think its been mentioned, but it seems for Fuji users, C1 express (albeit with a different name) is still going to be available.
www.fujirumors.com
There are links to official C1 pages from this link.
I'm not sure about other camera specific versions, but Fuji had (and presumably still do) a commercial agreement with Capture One, and it was Fuji that developed the Fuji film simulations for C1.,
When the deal with C1 was done, Fuji had a gushing press release about how pleased they were to have a deal with such a high end raw processor that they felt worthy of their cameras. Or words to that effect, I only remember the "feel" of the press release, not the actual words.
Capture One offers FREE Fujifilm RAW Converter for Fujifilm Users - Fuji Rumors
FUJIFILM RAW CONVERTER We just reported how Capture One is going to discontinue the free version Capture One Express on January 30. But there is an alternative. As pointed out to me by fellow FR-readers (thanks), Capture One is offering the FUJIFILM RAW CONVERTER (FRC) for Fujifilm users only...
www.fujirumors.com
There are links to official C1 pages from this link.
I'm not sure about other camera specific versions, but Fuji had (and presumably still do) a commercial agreement with Capture One, and it was Fuji that developed the Fuji film simulations for C1.,
When the deal with C1 was done, Fuji had a gushing press release about how pleased they were to have a deal with such a high end raw processor that they felt worthy of their cameras. Or words to that effect, I only remember the "feel" of the press release, not the actual words.
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I don't think its been mentioned, but it seems for Fuji users, C1 express (albeit with a different name) is still going to be available.
Capture One offers FREE Fujifilm RAW Converter for Fujifilm Users - Fuji Rumors
FUJIFILM RAW CONVERTER We just reported how Capture One is going to discontinue the free version Capture One Express on January 30. But there is an alternative. As pointed out to me by fellow FR-readers (thanks), Capture One is offering the FUJIFILM RAW CONVERTER (FRC) for Fujifilm users only...
There are links to official C1 pages from this link.
I'm not sure about other camera specific versions, but Fuji had (and presumably still do) a commercial agreement with Capture One, and it was Fuji that developed the Fuji film simulations for C1.,
When the deal with C1 was done, Fuji had a gushing press release about how pleased they were to have a deal with such a high end raw processor that they felt worthy of their cameras. Or words to that effect, I only remember the "feel" of the press release, not the actual words.
That's the RAW Converter. A fairly basic bit of software and not C1 Express
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I only glanced a the feature list, and although I knew C1 express was very limited in what it could do, I wasn't sufficiently aware of the features to know how FRC varied from the Express expression. It still gives you access to C1 raw conversion, the Fuji film simulations, cataloguing, and core editing tools From memory, it didn't look that much different from the C1 express functions.
It would be useful for C1 to show a comparison between this and the Express version, rather than a comparison with the Pro version.
Maybe for the benefit of readers you could list what C1 Express had that FRC doesn't. ?
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Sorry, but this is incorrect.
C1 Express had a very limited feature set compared to C1 Pro. I've looked at the comparison tables several times over the years and C1 express, although good as free tool was disappointing in terms of features when compared to the full version. Some of the best reasons to buy C1 such as editing layers, color editor and sessions were not available in the express version. I have regularly, over the years, offered help to C1 users, only to discover that my advice only worked with the full version of C1, and wouldn't work with the Express version. e.g using C1 as a file browser and avoid the need for a catalogue.
Indeed, as I said, from memory ,the feature list from FRC looks very similar to the feature list of C1 express.
This page lists the advantages of the Pro version over the express version:
Navigate all of Capture One
Create across different devices. Make instant edits with Styles & presets. Work better together with Live.
A brief comparison suggests that FRC has some features that C1 express didn't ie it supports HEIC, and Prostandard profiles
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Is there discount code I cant see, 300 usd on my end even at checkout
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Yep agree it was a bargain at around £110.
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HiSorry, but this is incorrect.
C1 Express had a very limited feature set compared to C1 Pro. I've looked at the comparison tables several times over the years and C1 express, although good as free tool was disappointing in terms of features when compared to the full version. Some of the best reasons to buy C1 such as editing layers, color editor and sessions were not available in the express version. I have regularly, over the years, offered help to C1 users, only to discover that my advice only worked with the full version of C1, and wouldn't work with the Express version. e.g using C1 as a file browser and avoid the need for a catalogue.
Indeed, as I said, from memory ,the feature list from FRC looks very similar to the feature list of C1 express.
This page lists the advantages of the Pro version over the express version:
Navigate all of Capture One
Create across different devices. Make instant edits with Styles & presets. Work better together with Live.www.captureone.com
A brief comparison suggests that FRC has some features that C1 express didn't ie it supports HEIC, and Prostandard profiles
I find the only difference from express is no jpeg editing otherwise for me this is still express for Fuji. Does what I need just fine, are you using it Myotis? Plus as you said HEIC, and Prostandard profiles
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No, I've never used it, as I've always had the full version. Well, at least for the last nearly 20 years, but that may be ending soon :-(
Apparently, it's tricky to download, or so someone posted, but I've never tried.
I assume this free version is still part of the deal with Fuji, so it may not last forever.
Unless you use the enhanced option in LR, I still find the processing of Fuji XT files to be much better than LR, which still gives a weird smearing/painterly effect with vegetation, at least for me it does (X100s), so it still being available seems like a good thing for Fuji users.
It seems odd to omit jpeg editing, but for me, I find, without thinking about it, I always go back to the Raw and re-export the Jpeg if it needs tweaked.
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Thanks for that, yes I was unexpectedly gifted an x100V which has brought this about,I was quite happy with my Nikon d3300 and NX software
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Yes re the painterly smearing effect, C1 looked clean on an image I took but LR version no matter what I did ,didn’t.this was at 200% but clarified for me a big difference
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Yes, in spite of many people now saying the problem is solved, and following several pieces of guidance about not over sharpening etc I still get it .
Except when using the Adobe enhanced raw detail feature. If I run the new denoise AI in adobe, which has enhance raw details on by default, I can get good results with LR.
Pixel peeping suggests it's still not as good as C1, but still perfectly acceptable.
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In fairness to LR ,I tried actually increasing sharpness on some photos and it did improve by making the smearing less obvious but still wasn’t close. I did have a play with enhance but wasn’t overly impressed
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That would seem to be the opposite of my experience, where increasing the sharpness made the smearing worse. And I was impressed by how much better enhanced was :-(
I wonder if we are talking about the same thing. I'm talking about the smeary painterly effect in areas of foliage. I don't really notice it anywhere else.
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Yes we are both on the same page here re what it is and after doing a bit more experimenting yes in fact you are correct,
That one photo I mentioned was the only one that improved the appearance by sharpening,though I may have added some clarity also .
It basically gave a bit more definition the the leaves so really just defined the smearing more,i
Every other one I tried didn’t improve it so yes you are correct.
My quick go with denoise prior to my post wasn’t a thorough effort and I’ve deleted the photo now but I was referring I think to the overall look it gave which was my hurried use,
I shall download another trial and play with it more.
I did like the remove tool .
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just to add I spent a lot of time over the last few days zooming and flicking from the c1 shot v a Lr shot and I was surprised just how much this showed up but as you say just in foliage which was mostly green,but when viewing normally this wasn’t really apparent to see.
Do you find that or can you see it unzoomed?
Do you find that or can you see it unzoomed?
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I think, this probably applies to a few things e.g. noise and I haven't checked for a long time e.g. how much it affects a print. but it I "was" definitely aware of it on the small prints I make (A4 paper). And, because we need to adjust sharpness at 100% it's just impossible not to see it during a normal workflow.
I haven't put too much effort into deciding whether it's acceptable or not to me, as I was using C1 well before I got my X100s, and I've only tried it out in LR to see what people were talking about.. I give it another look every so often, when people say it's no longer an issue, which I always find it still is.
In terms of viewing "normally" I often find with this sort of thing, that if you forget the actual detail you are trying to compare e.g noise, sharpness, dynamic range, worms etc, and look at the overall "feel" of the print , some of the "not obvious" details are in fact having a bigger effect on the viewing experience than you think they should.
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good point. update.
Apple photos. when comparing the raw in apple photos to LR and C1 .AP is on par re non smearing versus Lightroom. this is without the Ai enhance which ive yet to try properly.
I am just going to try Xstudio for fuji though im guessing be similar to C1 and AP
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DXO photolab (v6 in my case) also makes a good job of Fuji x-trans files,
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was looking at PL 7 elite as you get all in with Pure raw xd etc dont you?ive been playing with demo, frustrating as im trying to rush too much to check out and im finding things too aggressive so I need to learn to use it but with limited time and being busy its not easy for me.
OK X studio a tad worse than Apple and C1 but not nearly as bad as Lightroom.i tried a couple of conversations one without NR and one with with sharp on -1 so C1 winning so far with AP neck and neck lol.
Graham ,which do you feel does the better job on Fuji DXO or C1 negating the other pros and cons of both?
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DXO PL7 doesn't have the up todate noise reduction that was introduced in DXO Pure Raw 4, previously they have done this the other way round and the latest Denoising was in their "flagship" Photolab, and it was Pure Raw that lagged behind. This time they say Pure Raw 4 capability won't be added to Photolab until version 8 is released.
I stuck with PL rather than going with Pure Raw, because I find everything about DXO over aggressive, and there were insufficient controls in Pure Raw. But the newer versions of Pure raw has more control. I have a range of presets in DXO PL6 where noise and sharpness levels start from close to their lowest settings and move up in small increments to zero sharpening and luminance noise reduction of 25. My routine is to only do a small amount of noise reduction and sharpening in DXO, and then refine noise and sharpening in C1 or Photoshop (often using Topaz PhotoAI in photoshop layers).
I don't have an opinion on which of DXO or C1 does a better job with Fuji x-trans files. I've only occasionally tried to fully edit a picture in DXO, and when I round trip a file from C1 to DXO (for denoising and lens correction only) the C1 version of the file compared to the DXO generated DNG version look near enough identical (except for noise and sharpening) for me not to have even thought about the worm issue.
At a more general level, I prefer the layer based/masking approach in C1 to the DXO approach, but I've not used DXO enough to have an opinion of any value.
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Thanks for that im
formed reply. I don’t do enough in depth editing then after reading that so I will stick to C1 as I’m likeing the results so far. Being a bit ocd I aught to try Affinity lol I have version one somewhere it gives you choice of apple raw or affinity so can’t be bothered . .thanks again.