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i just could not understand why my Nikon speedlight would not work on my panasonic G9 camera. It works ok on the Nikon camera then i found out why

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did you spot the difference? the hotshoe pins have a different layout. Took me ages before it clicked in my head
 
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Another compatibility issue, it would be good if a common format could be introduced but then the brands profits would take a hit. Glad your flashgun or camera's electrics weren't fried..........
 
The 'standard' hotshoe is standard in terms of general physical dimensions, and position of the centre pin, and that's about it (and I think Canon have removed the centre pin on some of their cameras, just to break the standard further).

It's completely crazy, but isn't something anyone should be surprised by - about the only thing that is standard across brands is the tripod mount.
 
Faldrax said:
The 'standard' hotshoe is standard in terms of general physical dimensions, and position of the centre pin, and that's about it (and I think Canon have removed the centre pin on some of their cameras, just to break the standard further).

It's completely crazy, but isn't something anyone should be surprised by - about the only thing that is standard across brands is the tripod mount.
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Shhhhh..... ;)
 
Steve thanks. discovered it does work on the Panas G9. thanks. My real issue is and a bit hard to explain. What I was/am aiming to do is use the Nikon speedling remotely being fired from the panaG9 camera. I have a Pixel King master and slave which works ok on the Nikon So my idea was to do the same with it rigged up to the G9. The G9 recognises the PK master to the extent of lumiunating in the G9 menu the flash notification. However it does not have a connection to make the PK master work. Which seems strange, and believe me I have tried every which way, including checking everything out with the nikon camera and itg owrk ok on there

So back to the drawing board and I found after a lot of research "Godox" make dedicated flashguns for Panasonic. So why get another make? well from what I have gathered the " Godox Ving V860III TTL Li-Ion Flash Kit" within the menu can fire off other makes as well if programed right. . So I am hoping that the G9 with the Godox will fire off the nikon speedlight with or without the Pixel King reciever attached as a remote flash.

So to sum up the whole idea is to use the G9 with the Godox fitted to trigger off the nikon speedlight remotely. tt is with or without the Godox firing as wellon top of the G9
I can do this already with the nikon as shown below the other issue is the nikon speed light has a limited camera shutter speed which is ok for Nikon D810 but the P9 setup can do a lot faster breing newer s well as a few other trick up its sleeve

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AS you can see using a remote flash opens up a whole new world in photography

however I am thinking of getting rid of most nikon gear , just keeping the D810 and tamron 24-70mm lens so I can still go full fram, thena going completely over to Panasonic eventually once I have got this sorted
 
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realspeed said:
... well from what I have gathered the " Godox Ving V860III TTL Li-Ion Flash Kit" within the menu can fire off other makes as well if programed right. . So I am hoping that the G9 with the Godox will fire off the nikon speedlight with or without the Pixel King reciever attached as a remote flash.

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The Godox system can trigger Godox units for other brands - A Nikon fit Godox trigger (or flash, as Godox Flash all have both triggers and receivers built in) can fir, fro example, a Godox Sony fit Flash, but will only be able to trigger other manufacturers units if they support optical slave modes (S1/S2) - I don't think the Godox Trigger will communicate with a Pixel King receiver.
What you could do is use a Panasonic fit Godox flash on the G9, then buy a Nikon fit Godox receiver (XR1-N) and mount the Nikon Speedlite on that - The Godox flash/trigger will communicate with the Godox Nikon fit receiver.
 
Thank you for your help. The pixel king transmitter can also be in slave mode. Be interesting to find out if that works. The Godox is en route so should be here soon. I will post on here what I find out
 
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There’s a whole load of misunderstanding here re flash modes, wireless protocols and hot shoes.

I’ll write an ‘idiots guide to speedlights’ one day.

But as @Faldrax posted. The Godox system requires that what’s on camera (whether a speedlight or transmitter) matches the camera, but once installed they will TTL control any other Godox product (same frequency). So a Godox M43 transmitter will fire a Godox Fuji speedlight, a Godox Nikon speedlight etc.

But a ‘hotshoe’ ceased being just a hotshoe probably 40 years ago.
 
update

as mentioned the PK doesn't work so ordered a "Godox X1R-N 2.4G TTL Wireless Flash Trigger Receiver" for the Nikon speedlight. should be here tomorrow sometimen . will do update when arrived and tested
 
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Now have the Godox X1R-N 2.4G TTL Wireless Flash Trigger Receiver. That is a little misleading in my opinion. Yes it is wireless but only as in line of sight . it is not a "radio signal type" which is a bit different
If I set up my Pixel remotes on one camera and "hide" from the camera with the Pixel receive, it will still trigger the other camera with the Pixel reciever on it.
The Gdox version with this reciver has to be in what is called "line of sight " to trigger the flashgun/
Ok hope that explains the difference

Just hit another point of interest as the the godox reciever only had a cold shoe plate there is no way of mounting on a camera to trigger the camera shutter.
It does ok for my purposes anyway. Get a bit more complicated I can still use the PK master as a slave to trigger the D810 evn though using the godox flashgun as the trigger
 
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Now have the Godox X1R-N 2.4G TTL Wireless Flash Trigger Receiver. That is a little misleading in my opinion. Yes it is wireless but only as in line of sight . it is not a "radio signal type" which is a bit different
If I set up my Pixel remotes on one camera and "hide" from the camera with the Pixel receive, it will still trigger the other camera with the Pixel reciever on it.
The Gdox version with this reciver has to be in what is called "line of sight " to trigger the flashgun/
Ok hope that explains the difference

Just hit another point of interest as the the godox reciever only had a cold shoe plate there is no way of mounting on a camera to trigger the camera shutter.
It does ok for my purposes anyway. Get a bit more complicated I can still use the PK master as a slave to trigger the D810 evn though using the godox flashgun as the trigger
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The Godox wireless system IS a radio trigger, using the 2.4Ghz band, with a range of @100m - so should not need line of sight.

The Receiver connects to the cameras remote trigger socket via a cable to be used as a remote shutter release.

This is a link to the Godox page on the X1 trigger and receiver, which has a link to the manual on it.
https://godox.com/product-d/X1N.html
 
the setup Pana G9- gotox V860iii on hotshoe - group M and A channel 1 to Godox receiver with SB900 speedilght same room works yes line of sight
the setup Pana G9- gotox V860iii on hotshoe - group M and A channel 1 to Godox receiver with SB900 speedilght wall between does not work

which means it is not a radio signal it sends but an optical wireless signal. a completely different thing.

Think of it this way, one can send a message by semaphore via flags the optical way. Or send the same message using morse code via a radio signal. The semaphore requires line of sight, the radio can be hidden and still works. Both send the same signal but by different methods


If I set up similar but used the Pixel King transmitter and receiver that works even behind a wall using a radio signal.

Hope this explain the difference more clearly

of course the Nikon D810 and Nikon Speedlight SB900 are so old it is not surprising there are issues. the D810 and speedlight together work ok it is when adding new gear between them that breaks the contact and in this case the Godox receiver is not compaible. .

the nikon D810 release date was 2014
The nikon Speed light releae date was 2008
pixel king release date of mine 2012 but designed to work together back in that era

so in photographic terms antique, so can't be expected to accept newer items from a different make

I strongly suspect, having done further checks and tests. it is the Nikon D810 with an out of date MB for new gear
 
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As @Faldrax posted.
It’s a 2.4Ghz radio signal.
That’s a simple fact.

If you’re having problems using it, try reading the manual.

Though I suspect I’m shouting into a void as the OP has me on ignore because he’s not like facts I’ve posted in the past.
 
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I don't know what you don't understand

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Nikon D810- godox -N 2.4G receiver - SB900 speedlight

even like this there is no communication between the camera and Godox receiver with or without cable connection. they are NOT COMPATIBLE WITH EACH OTHER. I have tried every setting on the D810 as well, let alone trying to fire remotely.
View: https://youtu.be/EJVQvhX5XHA

video showing no communication from camera to flashgun via -N 2.4G recreiver . fired direct from D810 camera. even tried flash as on- master -remote
 
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the only way it works is with the camera flash right up and the flashgun off the camera. With it on the camera the D810 flash uniut does not come up high enough. even then doesn't always work

conclusion not worth the effort even trying
 
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realspeed said:
the setup Pana G9- gotox V860iii on hotshoe - group M and A channel 1 to Godox receiver with SB900 speedilght same room works yes line of sight
the setup Pana G9- gotox V860iii on hotshoe - group M and A channel 1 to Godox receiver with SB900 speedilght wall between does not work
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I was not aware that the Godox X1R receiver works with an optical signal I thought is just a radio receiver.
From what you're describing above sounds as if the SB900 is in a slave mode (optical) and is just triggered by the Godox V860iii firing and nothing to do with the receiver.
The Godox V860iii will have to be in the correct mode as well in order to send info to the receiver but I assume you done that already?
 
I might be wrong, but isn't the X-1(R) a receive only and it needs the XR-1(T) (trigger/receiver) for this to work with the Nikon flash on camera?
 
In order to achieve the setup mentioned above (Godox V860iii on the Panasonic and the Nikon SB900 mounted on the Godox X1R receiver off camera I would do the following)

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  • Place the Godox V860iii in Master Mode (image above is from a 685ii model but the menu looks very close)
  • The M group is the V860iii Flash. So for example if you only want to trigger the SB900 the M will have to be off. If you want both flashes to trigger you'll then change the mode for M group to TTL or manual depending on your requirements.
  • The A group is for the receiver. (of course you can choose any other group). So changing the mode for this group will determine how the SB900 will be used (in TTL, manual or off)
  • The V860iii has a further setting called ID which I would ensure is turned off as I don't think you have the ability to specify the ID on the receiver.
  • Needless to say the receiver will have to be placed on the same group and under the same channel for it to work.
  • Ensure the SB900 is on On position NOT as Remote or as Master.
 
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I will try that later thanks
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To check ID is turned off just push the Menu button, scroll down onto the second screen of options and ID should be the third one down.
If it has a number against it then press ok to access the ID function and just scroll through the numbers up or down until it says OFF
 
at the moment I can get this to work D810 - N 2.4G receiver - Godox V860 fired from the D810
at the moment I can't get this to work D810 - N 2.4G receiver - Sb900 fired from the D810
 
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PROBLEM SOLVED

What I was trying to achieve was trying to take a photo remotely using the Pana G9 and the gotox flash unit.
My idea originally was to put the gotox flash onto the D810 and use the Pana G9 to fire it via the gotox receiver. tried virtually everything and failed. may be to how i set it up.

Now me being as thick as 2 planks eventually have come up with a solution.and a lot easier as well. To be honest i can't belive how stupid I have been , need a dunces cap.
so now why not just use the PanaG9 with the gotox flash and a remote wireles trigger to fire it.

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If I can find the right sync chord I can fire both flash guns at the same time
 
Ed Sutton said:
I might be wrong, but isn't the X-1(R) a receive only and it needs the XR-1(T) (trigger/receiver) for this to work with the Nikon flash on camera?
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The V860III can be the transmitter if set correctly.

realspeed said:
video showing no communication from camera to flashgun via -N 2.4G recreiver . fired direct from D810 camera. even tried flash as on- master -remote
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The X1R can be set to trigger either a camera (via cable) or a flash (via hotshoe)... AFAIK it does not do both simultaneously; and it does not pass through the camera signal when in remote release/cable mode.

For this setup to work you need the SB900 mounted directly into the camera hotshoe and the X1R connected to the camera by cable (secured elsewhere, or just hanging)... pretty much the way you have it set up now with the Phottix wireless receiver and remote release; only difference is the V860III would be acting as the remote release, set as radio commander... and yes, it is radio (unless set to optical instead).
 
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I have 2 phottix receivers and just ordersanother sync cable for the SB900 to the Phottex remote. So being the smart arse I am, I am going to try :ROFLMAO: and use the phottex transmitter to set off the the Sb900 and the G9 with the V860 together.

so far so good I can fire from around 80ft with the transmitter behind a wall. camera pana G9 and flash working. now to try 2 flashguns when the sync cord comes and I have ordered the right one
 
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