Beginner How to NOT blow out a sky?

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Hi guys

Little advice needed, for future training. So back int day when i first got my own DSLR (a little over a year and half ago) and during the days of attempting to learn manual I was doing some pictures of my nephew. Looking at this shot, and after feedback previously I am fully aware that the sky is completely blown (the SOOC was relatively underexposed as well). After adjusting exposure obviously this then completely wiped my sky.

The day was extremely bright, and obviously I would have loved to have the blues back in this. This was shot under shade, so i set my cam at ISO100, 1/60sec. Maybe I could have taken this slower with a higher ISO? Would this then had still blown the sky, who knows!View attachment 93076

How would i have lit my subject but still maintaining the blue sky? My thoughts would have been on hotshoe flash or OCF with my Yongnuo at a relatively low power, just enought to cast a light without nepalming the sky out.

Thankyou all :)
 
If you maintained the same exposure but just altered the speed and ISO the sky would still be blown. Looking at the picture as you have posted it, it is far too bright - the subject's skin is close to being blown as well. Reducing the brightness on the subject will help a bit with the sky.

You have three options here.
1) just accept the sky as it is.
2) using a polarising filter might have darkened the sky depending on time of day and direction of the shot.
3) use HDR to extend the dynamic range of the final picture. There is no need to go to the extremes of tone mapping that produces the classic HDR look. HDR can, and should, look entirely natural. If you shot RAW, you might be able to do aa HDR version with two differing RAW conversions. At least, you might get some toning in the sky even if not blue.
 
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If you maintained the same exposure but just altered the speed and ISO the sky would still be blown. Looking at the picture as you have posted it, it is far too bright - the subject's skin is close to being blown as well.

You have three options here.
1) just accept the sky as it is.
2) using a polarising filter might have darkened the sky depending on time of day and direction of the shot.
3) use HDR to extend the dynamic range of the final picture. There is no need to go to the extremes of tone mapping that produces the classic HDR look. HDR can, and should, look entirely natural. If you shot RAW, you might be able to do aa HDR version with two differing RAW conversions.

Hi John,

Thanks for this. This was one of the very 1st shots i ever really did, so I did not even know what a blow out was tbh. I need to get some new filters since the cam upgrade, do you have any good suggestions? The time of day was around 3 if i remember, and it was Summer I know that much so I know the sun was fairly bright. I guess i have to not shoot so much in this instance in the future. Thank goodness Im not using this as part of any portfolio, this is more of a learning curve for me.

Thankyou for the feedback :D
 
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So, no, not really helped with the sky but using curves on the original might have helped (I don't have curves available).

No completely understand, more of a case do I avoid shooting in such bright conditions. Or use a polariser in order to tone the sky down. I think that could have helped a little during this shoot.
 
Have you tried with a UV filter?

Tbf I havent managed to order one for my new cam, but with my old one Im PRETTY sure it had one on (I cant be sure). However maybe I did need a polarizer on to take the sky down a couple of stops.
 
I am no expert at all, and always make a mess on shots like this, but would a higher shutter speed of been better :)

Most likely, tbh, it was fairly underexposed originally. I was just learning my settings and attempting manual.
 
The only was you would prevent blown sky in an image like this would be to take multiple exposures and blend, or use fill flash.

Exposing for the background and use the flash to light your subject.

Filters on a shot like this aren't really a viable solution.
 
The only was you would prevent blown sky in an image like this would be to take multiple exposures and blend, or use fill flash.

Exposing for the background and use the flash to light your subject.

Filters on a shot like this aren't really a viable solution.

Sorry Fill Flash, as in a flash on hotshoe and lower Fstop?
 
The only was you would prevent blown sky in an image like this would be to take multiple exposures and blend, or use fill flash.

Exposing for the background and use the flash to light your subject.

Filters on a shot like this aren't really a viable solution.

Actually just read, with OCF
 
That is not going to be any use in this example !

Thanks for the note. It was more of a case of, would in this instance a fill flash be of good use, a lower fstop to compensate etc. Im still extremely new to all the terminology lol
 
Underexposing the the sky by a 1. 1.5 or 2 stops will bring in the detail nicely and then just add a little fill-in flash. Pop up flash would be ok but taking it off the camera would be better. Slightly up the power of the flash to compensate the subject for the underexposed background.
 
Thanks for the note. It was more of a case of, would in this instance a fill flash be of good use, a lower fstop to compensate etc. Im still extremely new to all the terminology lol

Fill in flash is great when the subject is in the shade. See above for balancing the flash which is more appropriate for you example.
 
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Underexposing the the sky by a 1. 1.5 or 2 stops will bring in the detail nicely and then just add a little fill-in flash. Pop up flash would be ok but taking it off the camera would be better. Slightly up the power of the flash to compensate the subject for the underexposed background.

Thanks for this @Blank_Canvas. I was just starting out with my camera, so the whole terminology is still boggling me. Ive got a yongnuo flash with a stand which i could use next time :)
 
I think i would have just moved the subject to somewhere where the sky wouldn't have been a problem.
 
You're quick... just moved from the phone to the computer and you've already posted! lol!

This demonstrates what I said above...

Expose for the sky, fill with your off camera flash, in this case a shoot through umbrella.

Flickr

Wow, what a lovely image
 
The original on the boy is a little overexposed, but not much. I, and many like me, would aim to get the kid right and sod the sky. Increasing the ISO as you suggest would only have made it worse

A filter, of any kind, is pointless here

If you really need the sky (which this image doesn't IMO) then yes you need to balance the subject with the background and OCF is the easiest solution (easiest if you know how and have bought the right gear)

For me though, lower the exposure a bit so the kid isn't so pale and consider it job done, and nicely so, having a mildly blue sky will not help here. You don't always have to have a nice sky in your photos and as a Wedding Pro we're well used to losing the sky to get the couple right, don't fret about it, its fine to blow skies sometimes :)

Dave
 
The original on the boy is a little overexposed, but not much. I, and many like me, would aim to get the kid right and sod the sky. Increasing the ISO as you suggest would only have made it worse

A filter, of any kind, is pointless here

If you really need the sky (which this image doesn't IMO) then yes you need to balance the subject with the background and OCF is the easiest solution (easiest if you know how and have bought the right gear)

For me though, lower the exposure a bit so the kid isn't so pale and consider it job done, and nicely so, having a mildly blue sky will not help here. You don't always have to have a nice sky in your photos and as a Wedding Pro we're well used to losing the sky to get the couple right, don't fret about it, its fine to blow skies sometimes :)

Dave

Wonderfully put, I guess a nice bit of blue would have been nice XD
 
Oh great suggestion!!! Im a nikon girl, but i guess the principles are the same :D

His books are based on Canon flashes, but yes the principles are what's important and can be carried over regardless of flash brand.

He covers manual flash as well as e-ttl (which is basically the same as I-ttl on Nikon).
 
His books are based on Canon flashes, but yes the principles are what's important and can be carried over regardless of flash brand.

He covers manual flash as well as e-ttl (which is basically the same as I-ttl on Nikon).

Oh i may invest. Thanks for the great suggestion.
 
I agree with woof, on the exposure issue... I would probably have exposed for the boy, and let the sky blow, it's not 'really' adding much to the shot, or adding context or interest. But I'd back up a bit and say that's probably least of the worries. Composition, composition, composition! Composition isn't 'bad', but you'd do more to make a better shot looking at that, than you would exposure.

What in your shot is 'subject', what is 'detail, and of the 'detail' what is useful detail adding context to the subject, and what is distracting detail confusing the picture and detracting from impact?''

And WHY oh WHY haven't you turned the camera sideways to portrait mode?

What in that big space to the right, is adding interest, context or 'anything' to the picture? OK, so you have placed boy on the 1st vertical of the 3rds grid... and you have given him some breathing space, but still there's almost half a frame of just vacant 'space'.. doing nothing... and my eye is drawn to, I think its a chateau style hotel. oof, in the far back-ground, and and trying to resolve that 'ambiguity' rather than look at the lad! There's a lamp-post I think, chopping a back-ground tree a little to the left of the chateau; you could have cropped there, and cut out that incongruity and the chateau from frame, and still left him space to breath and a pleasant contextual 'scene' around him.

Looking at the setting.. I would probably.. if I was being that bit pretentious about the job.. re-composed it completely.. lads looking at and smiling for the camera, it's not a candid or action shot, so I would probably have looked to move him around so he was sitting more obviously in front or against the tree to his right (left of pic), turned the camera through 90 Deg and got down even lower and the played with positioning, to get the 'feature' tree more in frame, and find the shadows through the leaves falling on the lad, and let 'them' tell the story of a sunny day, rather than any sky, and then depending on camera->boy->tree distances, try and work some nice moody 'oofing' into the light falling through the tree, or keep it crisp and let the shadow contrast emphasize the 'sunniness'.

Fill in flash, is a cheap trick, and possibly what I would have used to brighten up the boy in the shadows and darken up the back-ground & if I kept much if any in frame, retain sky detail.... B-U-T...

Alternatively, appropriate place to use a reflector....... which would probably be more natural and neutral and 'pleasing' than 'harsh' flash...... A-N-D in similar situations I have done! Doesn't have to be a studio reflector... A white T-Shirt or light colored towel (always handy to have in the bag of you are working with kids BTW!.. along with a bottle of blowie bubbles and a bag of haribo, and some anti-septic 'magic cream' lol), can be quite effective improvisations!...... Having stripped off white T-Shirt and got some-one else to hold it as a reflector..... my Lilly white torso, , might also play a part...lol! ....Yeah.. take a towel! lol.lol. BUT, it was a bright day, plenty of natural light about, just not where you necessarily wanted it; why start chucking harsh artificial into that when you could just redirect a bit of what's already there?

B-U-T as a relatively posed and staged shot? You might as well, exploit that staging to get the 'best' effect....A-N-D... I would probably have been inclined to be a bit naughty, and actually TRY and get some leaf shadow playing on his face and arms, so 'suggest' summer sun, and sunny skies, rather than show it directly, try and emphasis the 'mood' rather than the subject..

On which topic... 'props' might add to the shot. What's the lad 'in to'? A soccer ball, at his feet, or a comic book on his lap, or 'something' to hint at his interests or character, need not be large, or dominating, or distracting from the picture, BUT would add another dimension, offering a connection to the subject, some added context and reason to the picture, telling the viewer 'more' than just what he looks like on a sunny day.

As posed, I'm drawn to the his glasses... and that offers suggestion... does he 'like' having to wear spex? With nothing else to had, I might have asked him to play with them.. take a few shots with them 'incidental', on his knee or in his hand, rather than on his face, or even doing something with them, pulling a face whilst he tries cleaning them, or 'something'... again, playing with the staging and composition, looking to draw more out of the 'scene' as a whole.

As said, as is, it's a pleasant picture, and it's not badly composed OR exposed... but its in that composition, engaging with the boy, looking to extract more of 'him', rather than playing with the camera looking for better settings, I'd expect to find that difference that takes it from a photo you glance at and smile, to a picture that holds your gave and MAKES you want to look at it, and understand it.

As said, exposure? Near enough. Little improvement might be found there; but more attention to composition & staging, could kick it into a different league.

Towel, bubbles, sweets and magic cream! Those are your key accessories, rather than flash guns and slave sells! Especially when it comes to kidz!
 
I agree with woof, on the exposure issue... I would probably have exposed for the boy, and let the sky blow, it's not 'really' adding much to the shot, or adding context or interest. But I'd back up a bit and say that's probably least of the worries. Composition, composition, composition! Composition isn't 'bad', but you'd do more to make a better shot looking at that, than you would exposure.

What in your shot is 'subject', what is 'detail, and of the 'detail' what is useful detail adding context to the subject, and what is distracting detail confusing the picture and detracting from impact?''

And WHY oh WHY haven't you turned the camera sideways to portrait mode?

What in that big space to the right, is adding interest, context or 'anything' to the picture? OK, so you have placed boy on the 1st vertical of the 3rds grid... and you have given him some breathing space, but still there's almost half a frame of just vacant 'space'.. doing nothing... and my eye is drawn to, I think its a chateau style hotel. oof, in the far back-ground, and and trying to resolve that 'ambiguity' rather than look at the lad! There's a lamp-post I think, chopping a back-ground tree a little to the left of the chateau; you could have cropped there, and cut out that incongruity and the chateau from frame, and still left him space to breath and a pleasant contextual 'scene' around him.

Looking at the setting.. I would probably.. if I was being that bit pretentious about the job.. re-composed it completely.. lads looking at and smiling for the camera, it's not a candid or action shot, so I would probably have looked to move him around so he was sitting more obviously in front or against the tree to his right (left of pic), turned the camera through 90 Deg and got down even lower and the played with positioning, to get the 'feature' tree more in frame, and find the shadows through the leaves falling on the lad, and let 'them' tell the story of a sunny day, rather than any sky, and then depending on camera->boy->tree distances, try and work some nice moody 'oofing' into the light falling through the tree, or keep it crisp and let the shadow contrast emphasize the 'sunniness'.

Fill in flash, is a cheap trick, and possibly what I would have used to brighten up the boy in the shadows and darken up the back-ground & if I kept much if any in frame, retain sky detail.... B-U-T...

Alternatively, appropriate place to use a reflector....... which would probably be more natural and neutral and 'pleasing' than 'harsh' flash...... A-N-D in similar situations I have done! Doesn't have to be a studio reflector... A white T-Shirt or light colored towel (always handy to have in the bag of you are working with kids BTW!.. along with a bottle of blowie bubbles and a bag of haribo, and some anti-septic 'magic cream' lol), can be quite effective improvisations!...... Having stripped off white T-Shirt and got some-one else to hold it as a reflector..... my Lilly white torso, , might also play a part...lol! ....Yeah.. take a towel! lol.lol. BUT, it was a bright day, plenty of natural light about, just not where you necessarily wanted it; why start chucking harsh artificial into that when you could just redirect a bit of what's already there?

B-U-T as a relatively posed and staged shot? You might as well, exploit that staging to get the 'best' effect....A-N-D... I would probably have been inclined to be a bit naughty, and actually TRY and get some leaf shadow playing on his face and arms, so 'suggest' summer sun, and sunny skies, rather than show it directly, try and emphasis the 'mood' rather than the subject..

On which topic... 'props' might add to the shot. What's the lad 'in to'? A soccer ball, at his feet, or a comic book on his lap, or 'something' to hint at his interests or character, need not be large, or dominating, or distracting from the picture, BUT would add another dimension, offering a connection to the subject, some added context and reason to the picture, telling the viewer 'more' than just what he looks like on a sunny day.

As posed, I'm drawn to the his glasses... and that offers suggestion... does he 'like' having to wear spex? With nothing else to had, I might have asked him to play with them.. take a few shots with them 'incidental', on his knee or in his hand, rather than on his face, or even doing something with them, pulling a face whilst he tries cleaning them, or 'something'... again, playing with the staging and composition, looking to draw more out of the 'scene' as a whole.

As said, as is, it's a pleasant picture, and it's not badly composed OR exposed... but its in that composition, engaging with the boy, looking to extract more of 'him', rather than playing with the camera looking for better settings, I'd expect to find that difference that takes it from a photo you glance at and smile, to a picture that holds your gave and MAKES you want to look at it, and understand it.

As said, exposure? Near enough. Little improvement might be found there; but more attention to composition & staging, could kick it into a different league.

Towel, bubbles, sweets and magic cream! Those are your key accessories, rather than flash guns and slave sells! Especially when it comes to kidz!

As a note, this wasnt a job. It was my nephew. I was new, practicing with my cam and i knew nothing about composing etc lol. Thanks for all the great feedback on this, it was more of a case of him smiling like a plank as usual and attempting to make sense of my new found freedom and settings with a DSLR. I am no way near where i want to be. Ive ordered a reflector either way, and will certainly be playing with it in the near future :D
 
I think your composition is just fine! Why should you have it in portrait mode? Why not have something vaguely interesting in the background? It's good we don't have to follow rules, but can please ourselves.

I dont follow rules lol! His mum loved it. I hated it because of the blow out (when i finally saw the points people provided me :D)
 
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