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I think it looks interesting as well.
I don't see any mechanism for using a pen for something like the adjustment brush or mechanisms for the circular emphasis tool / grad filter etc...
I used Indiegogo for the Sinclair spectrum Vega. Still waiting for that to arrive.
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if it speeds editing up then yes. However its not instantly apparent what advantages it give over something like a midi controller to edit
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I'm guessing you could use a tablet with it too, that would make sense. I think using it almost as a keyboard like in the picture is wrong, I think it would work rotated 90 degrees and controlled with one hand, and a tablet and pen controlled by other hand. They could offer an alternative face plate with the labels round the other way too.
Most of the images show it wireless, but it actually connects via USB. I can see a lot of use in being able to connect the computer to a large screen / projector / maybe even a tv, sitting back and going through a huge set of images with this device, rejecting many and rating the rest. Great for collaborative work or with a client too. It could still work with a long USB lead but Bluetooth would be much more convenient.
Still very interesting though, I've used controllers for video editing in the past and it really speeds up the workflow but also makes it more comfortable to use especially if you are working for a long time on a project - using a mouse to select and manipulate over and over can be uncomfortable quite quickly. Keyboard shortcuts help, but this is a better option. I also used a big Numark controller for DJay, that really made a difference in every way.
They've raised 51% in the first 25 hours so this will be funded. The only other system aimed at this market is Pallette, but that's a bit bizarre in comparison and nowhere near as useful, you buy all the sliders and scroll wheels separately and stick them together with magnets. Not the same as this at all but useful for other things I'm sure.
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You think? Pfixer do a couple of modified Behringer controllers that you use with their software, looks pretty good but I don't think it's as simple and slick a soloition as this. Other than that it's getting an off the shelf midi controller, mapping it using some of the software that's out there and labelling it up, but it seems not made for the job. Unless you own the controller already I can't see you'd save mugh and it's certainly less convenient.
i think if you enjoy tinkering with software and modifying things then that would be a good option as it would save money, but if you include your hourly rate then it's an expensive route.
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Mouse maybe, but I can't agree with the keyboard part. It's about what a device is designed to do. The mouse is designed to put a curser over a point and allow you to select it. A pen and tablet could be quicker and more convenient for some, but that's a close one.
A keyboard is designed for typing words and strings of numbers, and that's basically it.
This is a device that replaces the keyboard with controls that do the job that's required, it would be rubbish for typing a letter on though.
I guess it's like anything that changes over time, I remember everyone telling me how there was no way a touch screen keyboard on a phone would be a good thing and how the iPhone would never be a success over the Blackberry...
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Maybe once you learn it. Bloody expensive solution for a problem that doesn't really exist though.
I use the mouse to put the cursor where I want, and the cursor keys on the keyboard to adjust sliders (adding shift or whatever for different increments if needed to speed it up). Or click and drag if that's going to be quicker. Ratings keys are exactly the same, a sequential row of numbers, pretty basic. Picks, flags, rejects, increase/decrease ratings, copy/paste, sync, undo/redo, switch module, zoom in to 100%, etc., etc. - all have assigned keys, or two key combos, I don't need a dedicated button for any of that. And it's easy to cover the whole keyboard with one hand.
Adjusting HSL values, or channels in mono has to be quicker and easier with a mouse rather than those tuners surely. Move the mouse a couple of pixels, or go up and down all those tuners.
I use a tablet for lots of Photoshop stuff, but never for Lightroom as a mouse is the perfect tool for quickly selecting sliders or adding spot corrections. Also for infinitely adjusting curves, something it looks like that device would struggle with.
Yeah, touch screen keyboards are still crap for a lot of things. Better than physical keys at other times though.
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Have to agree @Jayst84 converting to ££ i do think it's a tad high for a few dials which is blatantly a keyboard design? In theory at this price they could make a fortune but honestly a lower and safer profit surely would be to have a more realistic starting price?
I use a mouse in one hand cursor keys in the other but i find editing tedious my next purchase was going to be a Wacom tablet but still that fine eye coordination and slight movement left or right or from moving up or down from clarity to vibrance i could see being awkward also.
Maybe the best option is to wait and see if you can get hands on at a photography show to try before buying. Not sure i could trust paying out 229Euros for something I've only seen on a website before going up to 369Euros Even converting into pounds this price is very high ?
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Looks very promising, I hope it comes to market at a sensible price. I was hoping to use the PFixer Minimal but the software is for Mac only.
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A problem i can see with this is that it sit in front of you. If you still will need to access the keyboard and the mice it became a busy working environment?
I really don't need anything like this as i'm not a pro but i fall on this looking at something else from this kind, it a translucent keyboard overlay for mac books, but gosh 250$ for a translucent bit of plastic!
http://www.motibodo.com/motibodo-pro-for-lightroom/
I really don't need anything like this as i'm not a pro but i fall on this looking at something else from this kind, it a translucent keyboard overlay for mac books, but gosh 250$ for a translucent bit of plastic!
http://www.motibodo.com/motibodo-pro-for-lightroom/
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Its a solution thats available and works though. So yeah I think
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Do you use one or have you used one? Genuinely interested, I can't see how to set up a decent midi controller for this sort of price. The Behringer route is a good option as it gives even more control via the controller without having to step to a second or subsequent layer of controls. But it's not cheap, and it's certainly not plug and play. At this price point I can't see a better alternative other than 'not bothering'. Add in the time to make your own and programme it all and it becomes very costly.
If you have some links to other stuff that would be great, I don't enjoy using a keyboard unless I have to and I think a controller would be useful (for me, not everyone agrees obviously!)
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But do the dials go up to 11?
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Well worth the money then, did occur to me that not everyone would understand my comment and probably think I'm bonkers
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I understood, but I never said you weren't bonkers!
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Yes. There is a big thread in the business section about them. You'll have to search though, it's not easy to do so on a phone
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Isn't everything though? We could say it about pretty much anything. We could all just make sure our images are right SOOC as editing them is a hassle.
Actually we could all forget digital, developing film was fine.
I'm off out to the shops on my horse, I can't see why anyone bothers with those car things!
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This thing only offers very basic edits and some presets. With the controller I'm using and Midi2LR I can adjust every single setting in the develop module plus rate/flag/zoom/etc... Or I can set it up with fewer adjustments and more presets for "express editing."
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What controller do you use? Is it designed for the purpose or is it something you've made work for you?
I found an interesting one yesterday, it's an app called CTRL+Console for the iPad, it's used for Final Cut Pro and other editing systems, but they made a Lightroom screen for flagging, rating, zooming, adding a preset, changing to B&W and a few other bits. The app is free, you pay to unlock each 'screen' and I think the LR one is £30.
It was launched last year and at the time it was going to be developed so there were other Lightroom screens, but that hasn't happened, so I'm not sure if it will. It looks like a good option, I read a few reviews and seen a few demos and it looks good, for my current needs I wouldn't spend £30 on it but I could see it being useful in the future if my plans go how I hope.
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Too many basic must haves I still need to invest in to fund a perhaps, but it does look interesting!
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A Wacom tablet and stylus would be the first thing I'd suggest, especially if your going to do any work in Photoshop! If you can afford it a Ciniq 13 HD would be rather tasty [emoji5]
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I was looking at this earlier on Petapixel and thought it seemed a good idea but the comments there also mentioned PFixer.
Had a look at that and there are a number of midi devices tht it will support, some are a lot cheaper, especially used.
The Arturia Beatstep was one controller and that can be had for about £75 or less plus the cost of PFixer.
Not so much for quickness, but I thought having slides and knobs would help make smaller adjustments much easier.
Had a look at that and there are a number of midi devices tht it will support, some are a lot cheaper, especially used.
The Arturia Beatstep was one controller and that can be had for about £75 or less plus the cost of PFixer.
Not so much for quickness, but I thought having slides and knobs would help make smaller adjustments much easier.
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PFixer is £100, so yes it's cheaper but it's also smaller with less functionality.
The device up top has now reached over 200% of funding so should well be built
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Just click on the number and hit the up or down cursor key to adjust by 1 point. Hover over the slider to adjust by 5, or do the same whilst holding shift to adjust by 20. Gotta be quicker and more accurate than different knobs and sliders.
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Just click on the number and hit the up or down cursor key to adjust by 1 point. Hover over the slider to adjust by 5, or do the same whilst holding shift to adjust by 20. Gotta be quicker and more accurate than different knobs and sliders.
You could say that about software like Final Cut Pro, just use the mouse and keyboard, but any serious editor who's tried a dedicated editing system wouldn't want to go back to the keyboard and mouse. Not saying this is a better solution, but until you try it you wouldn't know I guess.
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Da Vinci wouldn't sell 40 thousand dollar control surfaces if some people didn't have a need for them. Lightroom is designed to be used with a mouse and keyboard though, and personally I find it very quick to work with. Other people will like using other things of course, I'm just pointing out a few little tips that make working faster that don't require any money to be spent. Wouldn't want to go and drop a few hundred quid on a different input method, and then find out you didn't know about half the functionality that was already there with a keyboard.
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If you work long hours, or full time with certain programs, devices like this can make a big difference to how you work. They speed things up, as well as make working less hectical, and more natural.
I don't know how good this one is, or how well it integrates with the applications. But I have a lot of experience using similar devices in full time teamwork. You can clearly see the difference between people with and without such input devices. One is more relaxed and the other a stressy, hectic way. With fingers moving by tiny amounts.
New users, including older people, were getting used to them in just a few hours. And later you wouldn't get them to part with them. Even the ones who sneered at them before ever using one.
You'll get it, once you've used a good one.
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I assume this is a USB device (fine) but how would it communicate with Lightroom controlling the correct knobs and sliders? that seems impossible to work, no? Or am i missing something?
IMO I think this device is a great idea! I can see this making my life a lot easier however for that price... hmmm I'd be looking at a hefty chunk contributing towards my next lens, camera, Peli Case or a several GB External Hard Drive. They seem to make more sense purchasing (n)
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I do like the idea and it presumably would make editing far easier to have a range of tools on a keyboard rather than selecting and adjusting. They have a version working but chose not to show it in action in that video. I wonder why?
This is the bit that worries me - "where contributors can donate €229/$249 for a chance at receiving one of the first units if/when they start shipping". I have been burnt Kickstarter before.
This is the bit that worries me - "where contributors can donate €229/$249 for a chance at receiving one of the first units if/when they start shipping". I have been burnt Kickstarter before.
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They can. Like how I work full time using Lightroom pretty much every day, so I choose to use a keyboard and mouse to navigate it. Like I said, some people love those midi controllers and things, but personally I find things like that more of a hinderance than a help for something like Lightroom.
(PS Haven't seen the word 'hectical' for a few hundred years, might have to start using it though).