The Bleak future for British motor industry innovation

Sad but TBH, I didn't know they still existed as a manufacturer.
 
As far as I am concerned, the decision to stop producing ICE vehicles in 5 years time, is akin to throwing the baby out with the bathwater. The decision will mean that the vast majority of people will be left with no personal transport, which will be hugely detrimental to our ssocial lives, given the dire state that public transport is in. The only people this will benefit, are the rich who will be able to swan around in ludicrously expensive EV's and private jets (no sign of business class EV jets yet), leaving the rest of us in the dark ages.
 
did anyone actually look them up to what cars they sell though, idid.

this is currently the only vehicle they make, its hardly even close to clean and enviro friendly i think it needs to die.
ridicules rich mans toy.


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Mr Bump said:
did anyone actually look them up to what cars they sell though, idid.

this is currently the only vehicle they make, its hardly even close to clean and enviro friendly i think it needs to die.
ridicules rich mans toy.
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Says the man with two offshore holiday properties.
 
Clive K said:
Says the man with two offshore holiday properties.
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Sorry, Clive, but you're not getting with the programme...

It's only right that those who can afford to buy electric cars should receive government bribes incentives from their poorer neighbours' pockets, such as discounts on purchase price, no road tax and no fuel tax (because they have a charger at home). Hydrocarbon fueled cars are evil but despite the evidence that "manufacturing EVs—including sourcing the metals and minerals that go into them—generates more greenhouse gases than a conventional car", electric cars are not. (The Economist, August 2023)

So you, me and the other 49 million British citizens, who haven't fallen for the "electric is best" fallacy, are quite rightly being punished in order that the morons clever people in government can continue giving bribes to the 1.3 million cheats wise people who have got with the programme.

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Makes Mrs Nod a wise person.

Back on thread...

Lister have long used Jags as donors for their race cars and since Jaguar are apparently giving up making ICE vehicles, Lister's days would be numbered anyway. I have seen elsewhere that they do still have a chance of survival since they have such a low production number.
 
Nod said:
I have seen elsewhere that they do still have a chance of survival since they have such a low production number.
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Small manufacturers can be tenacious. Britain still has 21 small volume car manufacturers, according to the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders...

www.smmt.co.uk

UK Low Volume and Specialist Vehicle Manufacturers Report 2021

UK Low Volume and Specialist Vehicle Manufacturers Report The UK is home to one of the most diverse automotive industries in the world. As well as hosting globally competitive, mass market manufacturers, the UK is also the world’s leading location…
www.smmt.co.uk www.smmt.co.uk
 
andya700 said:
As far as I am concerned, the decision to stop producing ICE vehicles in 5 years time, is akin to throwing the baby out with the bathwater. The decision will mean that the vast majority of people will be left with no personal transport, which will be hugely detrimental to our ssocial lives, given the dire state that public transport is in. The only people this will benefit, are the rich who will be able to swan around in ludicrously expensive EV's and private jets (no sign of business class EV jets yet), leaving the rest of us in the dark ages.
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Which is exactly what they want :)
 
Mr Bump said:
did anyone actually look them up to what cars they sell though, idid.

this is currently the only vehicle they make, its hardly even close to clean and enviro friendly i think it needs to die.
ridicules rich mans toy.


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And they've only made 99 of them in total, at £140k each.

Maybe they can put their minds to producing an EV that can match this performance, from somebody elses car.
 
arturo7 said:
Politicians are whack...

The emissions created by tyre wear are far worse than ICEs. It's even higher with EVs due to heavier vehicles.

earth.org

Tyre Pollution Nearly 2,000 Times Worse than Car Exhaust Emissions: Study | Earth.Org

Heavier battery cars are causing greater wear and more tyre particle pollution than from car exhausts, suggesting the urgent need for stronger regulation.
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this wasn't really the case and came from a misinterpretation of the study that started the myth

‘Illusion of truth’ surrounds inaccurate tyre pollution figures | Yusuf Hamied Department of Chemistry

Widespread misunderstandings about the contribution of tyre wear to air pollution have crept into government reports in the UK, EU and US and could wrongly influence critical policy decisions.
www.ch.cam.ac.uk www.ch.cam.ac.uk
 
I don't think it's anything new unfortunately and just part of a continual decline that's been happening for many years. I was walking out of a supermarket recently and noticed an absolutely hideous SUV sitting charging and was horrified to notice a Lotus badge on it...I can't think of anything that could be further from what a Lotus than that. And it's the same everywhere, MG are no longer small sports cars and instead budget cars, mostly SUVs, Minis are no longer small, practical and affordable cars instead are large, impractical and expensive fashion accessories, Land Rover/Range Rover have gone from practical, unreliable vehicles to impractical fashion accessories (although still unreliable to be fair) etc.

I hadn't heard of Lister since the days of the mighty Storm so I was curious to see what they've been up to and it's....long sigh... an SUV, basically a re-engineered Jaguar F-Pace. I can't claim to mourning that as a loss to the British motoring industry.
 
Agree with John, Land Rover Defenders are now horrible great big things that are horribly expensive
I always liked the short wheelbase Defender, the original
 
To be fair very few brands these days have any real connection to their historic roots. Melton Mowbray pork pies were made in Hungary and shipped to a suburb of Nottingham for packaging to get round the rules of origin. Atco & Mountfield garden equipment is made by an Italian company either in Italy or China, Hoover went bust years ago, but can still be found in the domestic goods market. MG had been swallowed up by BL years before the holding company ceased trading. Before that happened their badges were found on cars like the Maestro and Metro.
 
LCPete said:
Agree with John, Land Rover Defenders are now horrible great big things that are horribly expensive
I always liked the short wheelbase Defender, the original
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The "Original" predates the Defenders by quite a few years! The original (SWB) Series 1 had an 80" wheelbase which was stretched to 86" and again to 88" where it stayed until they went to coil springs with the Ninety which was renamed the Defender 90 in 1990 or so.

Have to agree that the new "Defender" is almost as far from the original Land Rovers as the current Mini is from Issigonis's original!

I still miss my SIIa and 90.
 
cosmicma said:
this wasn't really the case and came from a misinterpretation of the study that started the myth
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So we now have two groups arguing about a cause of pollution?

Colour me completely unsurprised. :thinking:
 
JohnMcL7 said:
Minis are no longer small, practical and affordable cars instead are large, impractical and expensive fashion accessories,
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My daughter runs a BMW mini (her third). She buys them second hand at about three years and runs them for about the same length of time before trading in for newer versions. She finds them comfortable, reliable and relatively inexpensive, having allowed someone else to take the front load of depreciation.

As for being impractical, at least one other user has dismissed that theory...

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JohnMcL7 said:
I don't think it's anything new unfortunately and just part of a continual decline that's been happening for many years. I was walking out of a supermarket recently and noticed an absolutely hideous SUV sitting charging and was horrified to notice a Lotus badge on it...I can't think of anything that could be further from what a Lotus than that. And it's the same everywhere, MG are no longer small sports cars and instead budget cars, mostly SUVs, Minis are no longer small, practical and affordable cars instead are large, impractical and expensive fashion accessories, Land Rover/Range Rover have gone from practical, unreliable vehicles to impractical fashion accessories (although still unreliable to be fair) etc.

I hadn't heard of Lister since the days of the mighty Storm so I was curious to see what they've been up to and it's....long sigh... an SUV, basically a re-engineered Jaguar F-Pace. I can't claim to mourning that as a loss to the British motoring industry.
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275g/km of pollution band M
to be fair its just a filthy land yaught and needs to go
 
Mr Bump said:
275g/km of pollution band M
to be fair its just a filthy land yaught and needs to go
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People who buy these very expensive super cars are NOT doing 60000 miles a year in them. So who is creating the most pollution; someone doing 60000 miles a year in a 1lr VW Polo, or someone doing 1000 miles a year in a Lister Stealth?
 
When they started making cars an awful lot of blacksmiths and leather workers went out of business.

Time moves on, the world moves on, business moves on.
 
My 2021 MINI convertible is still the smallest MINI you can buy and when the electric version comes out (soon) it'll still be the smallest due to using the same body. That will mean it may become less powerful though :(

The other MINI versions will all get bigger to take the extra battery size.
 
Mr Bump said:
nope it looks s***
i just bought a nice villa in gran canaria
much better than that piece of crap :)
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275g/km of pollution band M
to be fair its just a filthy land yaught and needs to go
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1.16 Metric Tons, tut tut :troll:

At least you can fix it by paying money.

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" British " motor industry, Have I missed something ?.
 
F1.2 said:
" British " motor industry, Have I missed something ?.
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I do wonder why people get worked up about where a company is owned or where its manufacturing is carried out.

Almost everything, these days, is made up from materials and components from all over the place, to plans designed by people in various places, manufactured by people working in many different regions, in companies run by people in different countries, owned by people on different continents.

Let's face it, most of us are mongrels anyway, if you go back a few centuries.
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
I do wonder why people get worked up about where a company is owned or where its manufacturing is carried out.

Almost everything, these days, is made up from materials and components from all over the place, to plans designed by people in various places, manufactured by people working in many different regions, in companies run by people in different countries, owned by people on different continents.

Let's face it, most of us are mongrels anyway, if you go back a few centuries.
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Maybe the patriotic feelings are about the people who live in their country having a job, regardless of where the goods are sourced, designed or whatever, it has to be good to have manufacturing - and anyway, someone has to actually make things, that fact is so obvious that even Trump has noticed:)

I've never had a really expensive car, nor have I ever wanted one, they just don't seem to me to be worth the cost.
I once made the mistake of buying a new British car, a lifetime ago, a Zephyr, which (literally) crashed and burned at the grand old age of 3 months, due to a manufacturing fault. I've also owned a lot of other British cars, but eventually learned to stick with German and Japanese makes.
 
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