'Indefinitely' is 'for an unspecified period of time' - there is no specified point when it will end, but neither is there a guarantee that it will continue forever.
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I was able to download LR 6.14 a couple of years ago, but no idea if I could activate a fresh install now.
@ancient_mariner - this didn't work for me on mac ... you can try what they describe in the beginning of this thread ... jump on the end, seems it is really not working for other people too .. adobe is doing everything to make you pay ... I've quit using adobe when they switched to subscription pricing model and cloud storage
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To be fair, I don't think they did say "indefinitely". Their statement at the time read "Lightroom 6 is the last standalone version of Lightroom that can be purchased outside of a Creative Cloud membership. There will not be a Lightroom 7 perpetual offering. Lightroom 6 will remain for sale for an undetermined amount of time, but will no longer be updated with camera support or bug fixes after the end of 2017. Lightroom 6.13 with support for the Nikon D850 will be released on October 26, 2017." (my emphasis)
Affinity and DxO Lab are with perpetual license ... for instance Darktable is opensource (so it is for free) and it is extremely powerful (I dare to say clearly better than LR) ... there are options .. $20/mo plan is everything but not cheap nor good value if you consider that LR/PS is not the only professional grade software on the market for processing photos .. Perpetual license for Affinity photo is of price of few months of $20 LR/PS plan ... Other thing to consider is an imprint that each photo editing software has in the final image ...
I absolutely understand to that people are get used to particular software and they don't want to change, learn new things, etc ... but then they just shall accept what it brings - so they will not have good value for the price (if they are looking at price) or they will not have the best software when they look on features ...
My wife is a graphic designer for 25 years and I have almost unlimited access to a lot of software of various kind .. I am also rather geekish guy (software engineer) so I admit that this is an advantage while learning new things .. In the beginning I was using LR/PS because it seemed to me that there's no future \wo it .. it took me year or two and I started using other software just out of curiosity and never returned back to LR/PS really .. I am currently using mostly Darktable because this software is just stunning (or aRT) .. If I will have to choose between LR/PS Vs Affinity I will go with Affinity .. One of the reasons would be mentioned imprint .. I cannot explain that but LR just gives you images with (for me) visible imprint Vs I would say `processing-software-wise-neutral-imprint' look on images processed with Affinity ...
I absolutely understand to that people are get used to particular software and they don't want to change, learn new things, etc ... but then they just shall accept what it brings - so they will not have good value for the price (if they are looking at price) or they will not have the best software when they look on features ...
My wife is a graphic designer for 25 years and I have almost unlimited access to a lot of software of various kind .. I am also rather geekish guy (software engineer) so I admit that this is an advantage while learning new things .. In the beginning I was using LR/PS because it seemed to me that there's no future \wo it .. it took me year or two and I started using other software just out of curiosity and never returned back to LR/PS really .. I am currently using mostly Darktable because this software is just stunning (or aRT) .. If I will have to choose between LR/PS Vs Affinity I will go with Affinity .. One of the reasons would be mentioned imprint .. I cannot explain that but LR just gives you images with (for me) visible imprint Vs I would say `processing-software-wise-neutral-imprint' look on images processed with Affinity ...
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I didn't remember them making the claim about it being available indefinitely but even if they did there's less and less point in doing so as the software is getting old. The Sony A9 is one of the last cameras Lightroom 6 supported and that camera was released back in 2017, I stuck with it until last year but reached the point I needed to get something that supported newer cameras. I know you can convert to DNGs but it's a lot easier just being able to work directly with the original raw files.
Of course the great feature of the perpetual license is I can carry on using Lightroom 6 alongside the newer software I've bought without having to pay any more, I still find it handy for some features like stitching drone panoramas.
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I’ve mentioned many times on here about how good DXO and Affinity photo are
I’m one of those people who aren’t really natural with computers so did get used to using Adobe and at the time most of the guides on the web were for using Adobe, but that’s changed now there is a lot of information out there now for other software alternatives and some really helpful people as well on forums
Took me a while to get used to the change but forced myself to learn affinity when I bought a new laptop and only installed DXO and Affinity on it, am still learning but can now do everything I need to
Not sure what you mean by visible imprint , assume you mean a slight colour difference, certainly that’s the thing I found hardest to get right with Affinity as you can set the black grey and white points in photoshop, with Affinity you do colour correction slightly differently
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At the time I refused to pay into the subscription model and jumped ship to DXO. But I struggled with it, and after a while realised I needed to go back to LR. By that time LR had become much better software than v6, and I'm happy to pay the annual fee via Amazon. Whether that good a deal will ever be available again who knows.
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Let’s be honest the alternatives to Lightroom/photoshop are pretty crap. Seen DXO, Darktable etc mentioned all, of them are rubbish compared to the Adobe offering.
Not 100% sure but believe Adobe have not increased the price in a few years. Everything else has went up in price so would assume their costs will have as well.
Not 100% sure but believe Adobe have not increased the price in a few years. Everything else has went up in price so would assume their costs will have as well.
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I thought "no big deal". I was wrong. Mine happens to be set at monthly billing once the pre-paid plan expires. And Adobe said wait until then with everything that this entails.
Only alternative is probably just throwing another year from Amazon on... I am however concerned that at some date this plan will just stop entirely or get crippled so 2 or 3 years from today is max I feel happy betting on. There is also chance they will at some point do a deal on 1TB amazon for like 99 or similar which would be tolerable option.
Here is from adobe:
Only alternative is probably just throwing another year from Amazon on... I am however concerned that at some date this plan will just stop entirely or get crippled so 2 or 3 years from today is max I feel happy betting on. There is also chance they will at some point do a deal on 1TB amazon for like 99 or similar which would be tolerable option.
Here is from adobe:
Hello, I'd be happy to help you today, let me first pull up your account information and access your details.
I understand your concern that you would like to change your billing date from monthly to yearly billing. I will be glad to help you. As I can check your next billing date for Photography Plan will be on 26 Mar 2027. So I will request you to contact us at that time so that we cancel this monthly billing subscription and help you purchase the yearly billing subscription. I hope this will help.
My actual concern is that by doing this I will be hit by your price increases in a much more substantial way
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I understand if I will cancel your monthly subscription now you will not be able to use the subscription till 2027 and you new yearly plan will start immediately.
In order to change monthly billing to yearly billing first i have to cancel the current plan then only a new yearly plan can be added.
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It gets crazy. Do they employ assholes or idiots:
My suspicion is that 'switch to annual at next contract renewal' is not an option on the CS persons screen - as usually there's no reason to change how you pay - and the person in marketing who came up with the revised pricing never considered if it was actually possible to do what they suggested.
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Yes on my old 2012 iMac but not on a 2015 one or the latest M4 Mac
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That's an Apple problem, and the 2015 Mac would have been fine when new and would be again if you reverted to the original OS (mountain lion?). I didn't even get LR6 until about 2019 when it was already obsolete.
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Got to disagree with you saying DXO is crap compared to Adobe , it’s not meant to be the same as Adobe, Lightroom, LR does cataloging DAM etc as well as Raw conversion.
DXO is purely a Raw converter, at the time I switched to DXO (version 5) DXO was better than Lightroom for Raw conversion at least for what I was doing
I’m now on DXO 8 and it’s very good at what it’s meant to do
I do a bit of band photography and I shot some images at maximum ISO on my R5 in very low light and the quality after running through DXO 5 was very nice
I can’t comment on Darktable never used it
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There are a few converters but not many Photoshop alternatives, at least great ones. Mac users may get one if stars align correctly but for all the rest of us it is only gimp. And while it is good for basics, and proper foss - it just feels like they don't really care all that much. V3 has been in beta since like 2010...
For video it's actually a better landscape. We have da Vinci resolve with reasonable one off cost pro version, and that's pretty much preferable to Adobe app. In fact I will say that if black magic just spun off their colour page as stills raw editor they would be right there with lightroom, and will only need library module. I really like resolve colour page
For video it's actually a better landscape. We have da Vinci resolve with reasonable one off cost pro version, and that's pretty much preferable to Adobe app. In fact I will say that if black magic just spun off their colour page as stills raw editor they would be right there with lightroom, and will only need library module. I really like resolve colour page
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Point proven.
Im a new user of LR having take a subscription out earlier this year. OK Im not over the moon at the price increase but taking it in perspective ie recent inflation etc,etc, its not so bad I use LR and PS where as I pay a gym membership for SWMBO which she hasent used for the past few years but wants to keep it "cos I will start using it again soon".
So at least one subscription is value for money.
So at least one subscription is value for money.
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Really don’t see how you can say DXO is crap because it’s purely a Raw converter
It’s a stand alone software sold to do a specific job, Adobe is a package that does everything sold on a subscription basis
DXO photolab is a specialist software aimed at people who want the very best image quality, Adobe is aimed at people who want something that does everything
I suspect that Adobe don't want subscriptions being changed mid term. The monthly subscription has always been an annual setup - you can't cancel without penalty part way through the term.
The purchase of annual subscriptions separately - and adding them to the account to suspend the monthly subscription is a bit of an odd setup - but it still potentially binds you to the annualised aspect of the suspended monthly subscription.
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My plan, annual - paid monthly, started in January a few years ago. Assuming the increase kicks in next month, I wonder if I should change to a paid annual plan now since I've completed another year. I find it strange that they did not send out emails to inform their customers regarding the change.
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You should if you can. But it won't work if you have any Amazon vouchers stacked up. See my post.
As it stands I'll just wait for some crazy 1tb offer once we hit 2027 or late 2026, or I get pushed into all apps package by some future client
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I wish I'd read this thread more closely. And I really wish Adobe made things more clear. I saw a YouTube video last night that explained how you change from a 20GB Photographic plan to an annual one and thought I'd look into it, as I'd also read that the price would stay the same if I did. On my Adobe account page, I saw something about how I can get a refund provided I did so before the 31st of December. I thought I might as well switch now, so I did.
I realised that it meant that my old plan would be terminated. What I didn't realise, and what Adobe didn't even bother to mention, was that the three years prepayment I'd stacked up, until May 2027, would just up and vanish. No refund of any kind, but then I did buy those years from Amazon. What I'd assumed - as I think any reasonable person might - is that the three years would be carried over to my new annual account and that I'd start paying again in 2027. If I'd waited until 2027 to change to annual then I'd be paying the new amount, not keeping the current price. Without being clear about what happens if you change plan early, the whole thing feels like a bait and switch scam.
I realised that it meant that my old plan would be terminated. What I didn't realise, and what Adobe didn't even bother to mention, was that the three years prepayment I'd stacked up, until May 2027, would just up and vanish. No refund of any kind, but then I did buy those years from Amazon. What I'd assumed - as I think any reasonable person might - is that the three years would be carried over to my new annual account and that I'd start paying again in 2027. If I'd waited until 2027 to change to annual then I'd be paying the new amount, not keeping the current price. Without being clear about what happens if you change plan early, the whole thing feels like a bait and switch scam.
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Adobe customer service could possibly help?
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That doesn't sound like a great situation. Hopefully you get it sorted out.
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I've always paid annually by buying years from amazon when on offer. I've been on the the Photography plan since 2017.
I've just checked my account. I'm paid up until November 2026. I try not to have too many years stacked up just in case adobe decide to cut off the product. I've just checked and as I've never started the subscription I've already been moved over to the £14.99 a month plan (although they can't charge me for it as they don't have my bank details).
If it comes up on offer on amazon at Christmas I may buy another year.
I've just checked my account. I'm paid up until November 2026. I try not to have too many years stacked up just in case adobe decide to cut off the product. I've just checked and as I've never started the subscription I've already been moved over to the £14.99 a month plan (although they can't charge me for it as they don't have my bank details).
If it comes up on offer on amazon at Christmas I may buy another year.
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So the Photography Plan is now £14.99 a month? That's quite an increase(50%) unless I have misunderstood.......
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That can't be right, there must be some recourse?
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Cannot be right. Their systems don’t seem to be set up for this situation.
I wonder what would happen if you cancelled the new annual one now.
The few times I have used Adobe customer services they have been helpful.
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Public naming and shaming is your best bet here. Petapixel anyone ? It's just a token or voucher at this point, and you may have to sue in California court so good luck with that. That's why I'm not keen on adding too many years; at some point they will claim it is null and void
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Hopefully, but probably not.
Thanks.
Yes, but it hasn't gone up in something like 11 years.
You'd think. But this is Adobe.
If I cancel the new one, I'll get a refund of £119.99 or whatever, and have to rejoin the annual plan or leave Adobe.
I think PetaPixel would just point out the T&Cs, but thanks for the suggestion.