EV sales in UK in October surged ahead ! - Despite a fall in Car Sales overall

I’d be interested to knowhow much additional structure is needed to facilitate swappable batteries inside cars. You need a connector, and a shell, and fixings, clamps erc.

Also from a design perspective battery cells can be distributed in spaces in the car, whilst a removable battery has to fit in a defined space. Potentially meaning a lower capacity.

When mobile phone moved away from swappable batteries they (generally) became thinner, with longer lasting batteries.
 
yzfmike said:
Why no discussion on the merits of PHEVs?
Electric range is adequate for the daily mileage of an “average” user. Plug into a domestic 13a socket for a few hours, and go again.
On the occasion you need a long journey you can set off comfortable in the knowledge that you’ll get there and back without military style planning, lengthy charging stops and range anxiety.
The car is your servant - not the other way round.
Works for me
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its dead technology only being pushed by the Japanese and I think BMW , way to complex means expensive and people are fed up with expensive , also batteries are now at 400km even in standard models at a reasonable price. people want cost effective , reliable, cheap to run and service that is why EVs are the future.

They will put up with being reamed every couple of months at BP Pulse
 
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Pound Coin said:
I’d be interested to knowhow much additional structure is needed to facilitate swappable batteries inside cars. You need a connector, and a shell, and fixings, clamps erc.

Also from a design perspective battery cells can be distributed in spaces in the car, whilst a removable battery has to fit in a defined space. Potentially meaning a lower capacity.

When mobile phone moved away from swappable batteries they (generally) became thinner, with longer lasting batteries.
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I am not convinced on the battery swap think myself even in China where they will standardise....
 
Another huge month for EV in November

diesel down 10%
Petrol down 17%
PHEV down 1.3%
HEV down 3.6%

Battery EV up 58%


25% of all car sales are now EV

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Pound Coin said:
I’d be interested to knowhow much additional structure is needed to facilitate swappable batteries inside cars. You need a connector, and a shell, and fixings, clamps erc.

Also from a design perspective battery cells can be distributed in spaces in the car, whilst a removable battery has to fit in a defined space. Potentially meaning a lower capacity.

When mobile phone moved away from swappable batteries they (generally) became thinner, with longer lasting batteries.
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The connectors will need to be well waterproofed too. You don't want Lithium batteries/cells getting short circuited or wet...

It was the improvements in battery technology that let them be thinner and more reliable, leading them to be "non user serviceable parts"!
 
yzfmike said:
On the occasion you need a long journey you can set off comfortable in the knowledge that you’ll get there and back without military style planning, lengthy charging stops and range anxiety.
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I think you're over egging that pudding m8. ;)
 
Nod said:
The connectors will need to be well waterproofed too. You don't want Lithium batteries/cells getting short circuited or wet...

It was the improvements in battery technology that let them be thinner and more reliable, leading them to be "non user serviceable parts"!
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These are all just design issues, they can be fixed easily enough if the will is there. The real problem with battery swapping is making it profitable. Can it be made financially viable on a large scale and would it be worth the effort. What you, I or anyone feels is the right thing to do is of no concern to corporations
 
Mr Bump said:
I know some folk just don't get that 99.9% of the population just don't need more than 300miles in a day,
thats like 17 stops and wee's for me
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I was the same before I took the step to EV, I remember saying I'll buy an EV when I can go 400 miles without a charge. Then you sit down and think about what mileage you actually do and it turns out an EV with 200 miles range is perfectly fine.
There might be the odd person who likes to drive 400-500 miles without stopping but they are very few, so if you're going to stop anyway, it's no issue to plug the car in while you have a break.
 
Mr Bump said:
I know some folk just don't get that 99.9% of the population just don't need more than 300miles in a day,
thats like 17 stops and wee's for me
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But there are a significant amount who don't have driveways and currently at a significant disadvantage from a cost and convenience perspective. Once that has been overcome, then it will be interesting to see how things change
 
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But there are a significant amount who don't have driveways and currently at a significant disadvantage from a cost and convenience perspective. Once that has been overcome, then it will be interesting to see how things change
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Yes I’ve said similar on here before
I’m not against EVs in principle, it’s just for us anyway they are out of our budget
We’re retired on a fixed income
I’m sure in the future the costs will come down
We do a few longer trips a year though , photography and visiting family so that is on my mind as well, although friends with an EV have done a longer trip recently and did manage to find a charge stop
 
Steep said:
I was the same before I took the step to EV, I remember saying I'll buy an EV when I can go 400 miles without a charge. Then you sit down and think about what mileage you actually do and it turns out an EV with 200 miles range is perfectly fine.
There might be the odd person who likes to drive 400-500 miles without stopping but they are very few, so if you're going to stop anyway, it's no issue to plug the car in while you have a break.
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For Mrs Nod's first EV, 75 (real life) range was enough. I got her/us out to her Mum and back, down to town and back for a week or so as well as shopping trips. Over the 5 years (IIRC!) she had it, I reckon the fuel saving was enough to pay for the car - the A Class Merc it replaced did fewer MPG than my big Diesel (a 1500cc automatic isn't the most fuel efficient means of transport!) Her main reason for making the change from ICE to EV was to get emissions out of the city centre, the other benefits were a nice bonus! Her current EV has a reported range of 260 miles which is more than enough for 99% of our needs and there's always mine should we want to go further afield.
 
Dropped a friend off at the local MG dealer last week he was picking up new car-not MG but a second hand Vauxhall- and I enquired about the new Cyberstar? Convertible, 400 ish hp, nice, 1980kg not so, and around £55k, sod that, it may be faster than my present car but suspect it won’t handle like my 1200kg Honda, and the SNP want to lower speed limits here anyway, I will go and test drive one but somehow already think I know which car will be (still) be in my garage.
 
Think the tax brake removal next year isn’t going to help uptake of EV’s in the uk.
All incentives are now gone.
Doing only 8k a year and charging at home I wouldn’t save anything over my current diesel.

We looked at the model 3 last year and insurance would be £1100 over the £400 I currently pay removing any saving or making them small. Now with the removal of luxury car tax( 99% of EV with any decent spec are over 40k.. the luxury price is taking the p*** about when a corsa is over 20k now and even the lowest bmw is reaching for the 40k mark with some extras or engine upgrades).
And now road tax will be added that another £600 a year
I know leasing gets rid of the road tax but not sure about luxury tax.

I know Tesla’s £300 a month model Y deal last and this month probably spiked EV sales.
 
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mj4456 said:
Dropped a friend off at the local MG dealer last week he was picking up new car-not MG but a second hand Vauxhall- and I enquired about the new Cyberstar? Convertible, 400 ish hp, nice, 1980kg not so, and around £55k, sod that, it may be faster than my present car but suspect it won’t handle like my 1200kg Honda, and the SNP want to lower speed limits here anyway, I will go and test drive one but somehow already think I know which car will be (still) be in my garage.
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That can't be one of the reasonably priced EV's..... ;) But you'd save that £55k anyway in fuel savings :)
 
pmac said:
Think the tax brake removal next year isn’t going to help uptake of EV’s in the uk.
All incentives are now gone.
Doing only 8k a year and charging at home I wouldn’t save anything over my current diesel.

We looked at the model 3 last year and insurance would be £1100 over the £400 I currently pay removing any saving or making them small. Now with the removal of luxury car tax( 99% of EV with any decent spec are over 40k.. the luxury price is taking the p*** about when a corsa is over 20k now and even the lowest bmw is reaching for the 40k mark with some extras or engine upgrades).
And now road tax will be added that another £600 a year
I know leasing gets rid of the road tax but not sure about luxury tax.

I know Tesla’s £300 a month model Y deal last and this month probably spiked EV sales.
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Where are you? £1100 covers all our vehicles, including my bikes!
 
I have no interest in a reasonably priced ev, I drive a 2 seat ragtop for fun and a bit trackday fun, the cyberstar won’t give me that I suspect, nor would any MG.
 
Funnily I’m I one of if not the nicest towns in Scotland . Very low crime rate and that’s personal on the drive at night.

St Andrews

My mate in Birmingham, moved just outside Birmingham and went from a golf R to a performance and his dropped.. though still a lot higher than my quotes.

When I going some of the fb groups it seem they are just written off when it’s a small amount of damage or it takes ages to fix. so that’s why EV insurance Is so hogh
 
Compared to your insurance, my wife's EV insurance is dirt cheap! Hers is an iPace, so not a budget EV!
 
Nod said:
Compared to your insurance, my wife's EV insurance is dirt cheap! Hers is an iPace, so not a budget EV!
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I was kind of shocked to be honest that was a brand new LR model ,the performance was only 200 more.

Again after joining a load of uk groups that’s a very average price. I’ve seen people post 2k+ quotes often. And these are 30-50 year old’s with high no claims.

I’m nearly 40 and have over 10 years no claim so not sure what the reason is.
 
Mrs Nod is under 60 and I'm just over. My insurance actually dropped when I went over 60 - on the cars and bikes! Full NCB.
 
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I for one ain’t rushing to buy a new Ford Capri, like the Mustang and even the Puma they’re trying to get in on the name, nope.
 
cosmicma said:
as far as fuel cost goes we've had our EV since march and the total cost to cover about 9,000 miles is £180 via home charging

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iv'e barely used my ICE car since we got it in march and we go everywhere in it
distance isn't a problem
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yeah and using petrol the cost would be about £900 it does make a mockery of ICE :)
 
cosmicma said:
as far as fuel cost goes we've had our EV since march and the total cost to cover about 9,000 miles is £180 via home charging

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iv'e barely used my ICE car since we got it in march and we go everywhere in it
distance isn't a problem
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Is it possible to work out how much it would have cost using high speed public chargers?
 
gman said:
Is it possible to work out how much it would have cost using high speed public chargers?
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thats a bit like saying lets calculate ICE costs instead of going to ASDA lets go to BP at Junction 25 on the M1
 
Mr Bump said:
thats a bit like saying lets calculate ICE costs instead of going to ASDA lets go to BP at Junction 25 on the M1
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That's not even remotely similar.

Those without driveways can't charge at home. As for high speed, it's the closest equivalence to the convenience of filling up at a pump.

It's not as if I've thrown in a few reality curveballs such as how many high speed chargers would be available and actually working; happy to assume fully functioning and not in use.
 
gman said:
That's not even remotely similar.

Those without driveways can't charge at home. As for high speed, it's the closest equivalence to the convenience of filling up at a pump.

It's not as if I've thrown in a few reality curveballs such as how many high speed chargers would be available and actually working; happy to assume fully functioning and not in use.
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according to google most IE over 50% of the UK have access to off road charging so while it isn't perfect it is way more than your doom and gloom.

This is a 2019 survey but no reason to believe it isn't accurate
EVs are selling in massive numbers you just don't want one, big deal thats one less :)

Most of those living in detached or semi-detached houses will have access to some sort of driveway, accounting for 57% of the country. That leaves around 43% of the country without the ability to charge at home. In 2019, the population of UK adults over 18 is around 44 million.
 
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gman said:
Is it possible to work out how much it would have cost using high speed public chargers?
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Yes. In fact it's easy to do. You take the kWh and multiply by the cost per kWh.

I just asked an AI to do it for me and it got £992.40. HTH.

On the other hand, my mate ran out of petrol once and a local garage charged him £50 to deliver a gallon to him. Assuming an average of 45 mpg over 9k miles, that's £10,000.
 
JonathanRyan said:
On the other hand, my mate ran out of petrol once and a local garage charged him £50 to deliver a gallon to him. Assuming an average of 45 mpg over 9k miles, that's £10,000.
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And if your mate had had an electric vehicle and the battery had gone flat, how much would it have cost for someone to come out and recharge it for him?
 
Eucris said:
And if your mate had had an electric vehicle and the battery had gone flat, how much would it have cost for someone to come out and recharge it for him?
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And would it take longer than pouring a gallon of fuel into the tank?
 
gman said:
Is it possible to work out how much it would have cost using high speed public chargers?
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Or how long it would take to offset the higher initial purchase cost?
 
A quick look for a similar age and mileage E-Pace (closest equivalent to Mrs Nod's I-Pace) shows that they're within about £100.
 
Eucris said:
And if your mate had had an electric vehicle and the battery had gone flat, how much would it have cost for someone to come out and recharge it for him?
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Anyone, ICE or EV driver who runs out of 'fuel' is an idiot and deserves to be ripped off royally.
Speaking of EV's, in Scotland you are rarely more than 20 miles from a rapid charger. Sometimes multiple chargers, sometimes single but absolutely no reason to ever run out of power.
 
Nod said:
A quick look for a similar age and mileage E-Pace (closest equivalent to Mrs Nod's I-Pace) shows that they're within about £100.
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were the e-paces withdrawn in the USA due to major battery faults ?
 
were the e-paces withdrawn in the USA due to major battery faults ?

They had a couple of recalls but not for battery problems.
 
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