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That was sold last month.
There is a massive thread in the FS section here
I missed the sale by a few days.....
That was sold last month.
There is a massive thread in the FS section here
Never even considered Mirrorless as all the ones that I have tried (mostly Canon and Sony) are pretty mediocre. When they get a viewfinder that shows real time and AF to match my out of date DSLR cameras then I will buy in!
I love the principle of ML but they are just not there yet for my uses.
What mirrorless camera were you using and what are you comparing against? Because the better milc now outperform the best dslr cameras.
Which models? A9 should be up there among the best.Sony and canon, as I said - I was looking at the full frame models.
Sony don't have the lenses or AF and Canon (mirrorless) don't have the AF that I need + neither have viewfinders that are satisfactory for my needs/uses. Add to that they have silly little batteries that are of lower voltage (don't drive my lenses very well) etc etc. They are great for many users, have good to excellent IQ and are smaller/lighter - but they have a long way to go before they are of any use to me.
Were I a portrait/landscape photographer then my views would be different - but I am not, I prefer birds/wildlife and mirrorless is just not there yet.
I was comparing them to my 7D2 and 1DX - and ML was pretty poor for me. I am sure they will get there, if/when they do I will probably buy one.
Sony and canon, as I said - I was looking at the full frame models.
Sony don't have the lenses or AF and Canon (mirrorless) don't have the AF that I need + neither have viewfinders that are satisfactory for my needs/uses. Add to that they have silly little batteries that are of lower voltage (don't drive my lenses very well) etc etc. They are great for many users, have good to excellent IQ and are smaller/lighter - but they have a long way to go before they are of any use to me.
Were I a portrait/landscape photographer then my views would be different - but I am not, I prefer birds/wildlife and mirrorless is just not there yet.
I was comparing them to my 7D2 and 1DX - and ML was pretty poor for me. I am sure they will get there, if/when they do I will probably buy one.
Reading this thread has got me thinking, that if you want to trade in all of your old DSLR gear and swap too ML and systems, then now is the time. Because other than the lenses (that are adaptable) the value of your DSLR is just going to fall through the floor. The market will be flooded with them, with more and more ML camera's being bought, who will want a used DSLR. Obviously not everyone will go ML, but the DSLR users will be a much smaller group of people.
I don't doubt that you are right but I've yet to see and EVF that gives me the same sense of presence as an optical view finder (and I tried most of the current ones at the Photography show this year). That said I don't think there is anything as good as looking at the world through a waist level finder on a medium format camera so it's probably just what I have got used to over the years.Reading this thread has got me thinking, that if you want to trade in all of your old DSLR gear and swap too ML and systems, then now is the time. Because other than the lenses (that are adaptable) the value of your DSLR is just going to fall through the floor. The market will be flooded with them, with more and more ML camera's being bought, who will want a used DSLR. Obviously not everyone will go ML, but the DSLR users will be a much smaller group of people.
Shutter presumably? The EVF is reading the sensor, when you take a shot the shutter has to close, open and close for the exposure and then open again for the EVF to display - probably blacks out for longer than a DSLRThe viewfinder just cant keep up with panning and it blacks out (why I dont know, seen as there is no mirror)
I run two systems at the moment both with their strengths. I am wondering if anybody has gone back to their DSLR having switched to one of the mirrorless systems; if so, why? I would prefer not to debate the "DSLR is dead theme" as that has already had a thread. Thanks.
Sony and canon, as I said - I was looking at the full frame models.
Sony don't have the lenses or AF and Canon (mirrorless) don't have the AF that I need + neither have viewfinders that are satisfactory for my needs/uses. Add to that they have silly little batteries that are of lower voltage (don't drive my lenses very well) etc etc. They are great for many users, have good to excellent IQ and are smaller/lighter - but they have a long way to go before they are of any use to me.
Were I a portrait/landscape photographer then my views would be different - but I am not, I prefer birds/wildlife and mirrorless is just not there yet.
I was comparing them to my 7D2 and 1DX - and ML was pretty poor for me. I am sure they will get there, if/when they do I will probably buy one.
For me EFV (on Olympus) is better in low light because it can be made a lot brighter.OVF is the only real thing I miss from dslr. Especially in low light when.
Which Sony and Canon? Im guessing none of the newer Mk3/IV or A9 Sonys.
Seems you have some faulty equipment that should be covered by waranty. I doubt youll find the Z6 Better for motorsport than a proper X-T3.I purchased a Fuji X-T3 + 10-24,18-55, 55-200 earlier this year with a view of weight saving more than anything. I have a Nikon D800 with 24-70 2.8 and a D300 with a few other lenses. I have to say I found the Fuji disappointing when it came to motorsport. The viewfinder just cant keep up with panning and it blacks out (why I dont know, seen as there is no mirror) Its OK for normal use but I'm seriously thinking of ditching the Fuji stuff and maybe buying a Z6 to utilise my Nikkor lenses. Also the Fuji keeps wanting a reboot with the 55-200 lens. After all the hype on here I just can't get on with it so in my view I would keep the DSLR.
For me EFV (on Olympus) is better in low light because it can be made a lot brighter.
So the 600mm is not hight quality? Or the 200-600mm?No Sony A9 cameras (A7 series only) - but Sony cameras are hardly relevant as their longest high quality lens is 400mm = half the focal length that I normally use. I read that the A9 is a great camera - but no suitable lenses for me - so it's a no brainer. I am sure they will get there but they haven't done it yet.
Depends what you are looking at the A9 has industry leading A.F for a full frame camera.
The A6600, A6400 has industry leading A.F for A.P.S.C
Would have thought that the Sony 200-600, 100-400, 400 & 600 would have been ideal for birds/wildlife.
Sony battery life in all of their newer full frame bodies is excellent.
Seems you have some faulty equipment that should be covered by waranty. I doubt youll find the Z6 Better for motorsport than a proper X-T3.
Unfortunately I have not, yet, had the opportunity to try the "G-Master" 600 F4. Looks like Sony are getting really getting into the full system game! Now if they could only give me an OVF?
As to battery life? I read that they have made major improvements - but do they make a pack that allows me to leave my camera on all day regardless of the number of shots I take, within reasonable limits - say 1k or so? I find that what drains batteries the most is not actually taking images but being ready to go all the time. Also they are two cell packs, my (preferred) packs are 3 cell which drive my lens's AF systems faster - essential for me.
Sony are obviously improving, perhaps I should look at them again?
On a normal wedding day I get about 1400-1500 shots and usually still have about 20% battery left. You can also top up on the hoof using a usb power bank if needed. I never have.
Can I attach a Sony camera to a 600 F4 (or better) and have it ready to go for 12 hours (including multiple failed and a few successful attempts with the viewfinder live at all times without faffing about without battery changes/re-charging? I honestly don't know the answer to this question.
I am not a wedding photographer so I have no idea what 14/1500 wedding shots equates to battery wise - but I bet it is stressful! A couple of years ago I went to Pembrey racing circuit and took 3K shots without loosing one bar on my battery indicator - but I was only there for about 3 hours so it is pretty meaningless for my main uses.
Can I attach a Sony camera to a 600 F4 (or better) and have it ready to go for 12 hours (including multiple failed and a few successful attempts with the viewfinder live at all times without faffing about without battery changes/re-charging? I honestly don't know the answer to this question.
I am not knocking the Sony system, it is just that they haven't (yet) produced a camera that suits my needs in my hands.
For many users I am sure they are just the job
I have the eos r, last camera was the 77d. Just been on a job and had to use both, with the 77d was another r!!
The 77 feels like an old manual winding film camera in comparison, the tools in the r make the job a lot easier, but it is a learning curve.
I use the ef lenses on both so there is no actual weight savings to be had, just a better shooting experience. It is a very different system (even though the UI is the same) so it does need approaching differently. Hard to go back to the dinosaurs after though!!
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I came back to photography last year after a long break. Having previously owned Canon gear I opted for an 80D.
I remember seeing post on here some years ago when Canon brought out their 'M' series and when I discovered that there wasn't a viewfinder and if you wanted one it something like £150 for the electronic version which I thought was taking the p!
So at that point I wasn't interested in the new technology.
Last year I took my 80D, Canon 70-300L (as a walkabout lens) and 10-22 on holiday as I knew I would use it on the trips we were taking.
Fast forward to this year, we are back at the same location but only taking one trip and the 80D hasn't been used at all as the trip wasn't suitable so I ended up using my phone.
At that point I realised either a mirrorless system would be more practical as I don't like using the screen for viewing.
So I had a looked at the Canon M10 and M100 and the reviews said they were aimed more towards people who used a smart phone and still no bloody viewfinder!
So I've look at the rest of the Canon mirrorless range only to realise it would be a costly investment on a system I would probably only used for 10 days a year (if that).
I tend to stick with a manufacturer if I like their products, for example I love Samsung phones and TVs.
In all fairness I should have a look at what the other manufacturers have released but I don't think I can be bothered with the hassle so I'll probably wait until Canon release a £300 mirrorless interchangeable system with a viewfinder even if it is a few years away.
So it's looking more like a bridge camera will be purchased.
However you'll have to prise my 80D and Tamron 100-400 from my cold dead hands when it comes to wildlife photography.
Typical wedding day is 11-12 hours.
So is your battery pack good for the whole day? I ask because this is the sort of battery performance I need and have.
No, not off a single battery.
A mark 3 Sony should perform better than most if you're doing continuous shooting but it's worse over an extended period of time because of the EVF/rear display.
You will need 2 batteries for 12 hours, For safety I would get 3. A single battery can last from say 8am to midday/1pm for me shooting non-stop, I tend to change it just before the ceremony, it usually have like 10% left around that point.
You will need 2 batteries for 12 hours, For safety I would get 3. A single battery can last from say 8am to midday/1pm for me shooting non-stop, I tend to change it just before the ceremony, it usually have like 10% left around that point.
Wow really there is something wrong there I can do all day and usually have about 20% left.
Our shooting styles must be very different. When I first switched to Sony I used the evf pretty much all the time and used to have to switch batteries just before the speeches.
Now I don’t use the evf as much I can easily go all day without changing a battery.
I have noticed that the battery life depletes faster when using flash. I assume the connection between the camera and the flash must use a fair bit of power. I guess if you use flash a lot and the evf for everything that you might need to swap out batteries a lot more. I only use flash for the dancing usually.
Are you not using genuine batteries?