Nikon Z* mirrorless

dcash29 said:
In my opinion the Nikon D500 still smokes mirrorless.
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For many occasions especially where there is fast action.
I have kept my D500 and D810 all my other DSLR stuff has been traded for the Z cameras Z9, Z7, Zf. I just want a Z7iii now to replace the Z7.
 
I'm curious what people find better about the D500 for fast action compared to mirrorless? As much as I liked my Nikon DSLRs in the day, I find the lack of blackout make action much easier on a stacked sensor as well as benefitting AE/AF plus the faster framerate and full frame tracking are also an improvement. While it doesn't improve the IQ I also particularly appreciate the complete silence as well compared to the constant shutter noise of a DSLR when used for action which means I can take video as well
 
New firmware released for the Z9 (5.10), which has a few nice changes including for the first time in a Nikon body, shutter angles when shooting video :)

nikonrumors.com

Nikon Z9 firmware update version 5.10 officially released - Nikon Rumors

The previously leaked Nikon Z9 firmware update version 5.10 is now officially released – here is what’s new: Note: The changes listed below under “Video Recording” and “Controls” are detailed in the Supplementary Firmware Update Manual. Note: Due to the addition of new menu items, some Custom...
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JohnMcL7 said:
I'm curious what people find better about the D500 for fast action compared to mirrorless? As much as I liked my Nikon DSLRs in the day, I find the lack of blackout make action much easier on a stacked sensor as well as benefitting AE/AF plus the faster framerate and full frame tracking are also an improvement. While it doesn't improve the IQ I also particularly appreciate the complete silence as well compared to the constant shutter noise of a DSLR when used for action which means I can take video as well
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I found that fast moving subjects were acquired and kept in focus more easily with D500 than D850 or Z7. I havent tested with my Z9 but I would expect this to be best of the lot considering it has all the latest tech and AF algorithms.
 
jknights said:
I found that fast moving subjects were acquired and kept in focus more easily with D500 than D850 or Z7. I havent tested with my Z9 but I would expect this to be best of the lot considering it has all the latest tech and AF algorithms.
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I think the main benefit of the mirrorless systems is it's ability to choose the precise point to focus on for you. No person could possibly select a fast moving subject's eye for example within a frame as fast as the processor can, and keep up with it!! Your keep rate will tend to be better with the latest z8/ z9 / z6iii / zf cameras
 
Updated my Z9 even though I dont shoot video.
I hope that there are some hidden updates for my still photography.
 
gilbouk said:
I think the main benefit of the mirrorless systems is it's ability to choose the precise point to focus on for you. No person could possibly select a fast moving subject's eye for example within a frame as fast as the processor can, and keep up with it!! Your keep rate will tend to be better with the latest z8/ z9 / z6iii / zf cameras
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Yes I agree. I love my Z9, Z7, Zf.
I just wish that Nikon would update the Z7ii, with a Z7iii. I want to have NEFs at 45MP but I dont want the weight and size of the Z8 and my Z9 is heavy for long distance 10-20km walks.
 
wilt said:
The tiny battery is the major draw back about the Z50II for me. I know a joystick and dual card slots would be nice, but that's for a higher model.
Having had the Z50 for a short time, you'll need a few extra batteries in your pocket.
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And from the reviews, the battery life on the Z50II is possibly worse than the Z50. I'm guessing the extra capacity of the new Z50 II battery is swallowed up by the extra power demands.
 
I expect the EXPEED 7 is power hungry, as the battery life isn't good, even with my Z8. They either need a different battery or move to the en-el15c. I'm looking for a smaller lighter DX body and the Z50II was close. But having another different set of batteries from my Z8, is a complete pain. I experienced that when having the Z7II and Z50, I'll not be doing that again, especially when the battery life is so poor.
 
wilt said:
I expect the EXPEED 7 is power hungry, as the battery life isn't good, even with my Z8. They either need a different battery or move to the en-el15c. I'm looking for a smaller lighter DX body and the Z50II was close. But having another different set of batteries from my Z8, is a complete pain. I experienced that when having the Z7II and Z50, I'll not be doing that again, especially when the battery life is so poor.
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I guess the small battery is the price you pay for the small body. I would prefer an el15c, but I have a specific reason for being interested in the Z50II: based on size and weight, so can live with the different battery.
 
wilt said:
I expect the EXPEED 7 is power hungry, as the battery life isn't good, even with my Z8. They either need a different battery or move to the en-el15c. I'm looking for a smaller lighter DX body and the Z50II was close. But having another different set of batteries from my Z8, is a complete pain. I experienced that when having the Z7II and Z50, I'll not be doing that again, especially when the battery life is so poor.
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I must say I've not experienced any power issue with my Zfc, which also takes the smaller battery. One battery easily last the day, more probably. Mind you, I never use the motor drive. But it were good if both the Zfc and the Zf did use the same.
 
Well Nikon have delivered the Z9 firmware update so I am now awaiting the Z7iii.
 
dcash29 said:
I thought the firmware was for multiple units and apparently held up due to difficulties with the z7ii?
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That was only a rumour, which may well still be correct. i.e. they might have decided to release this Z9 firmware update with only part of the intended "across all body" update.

That's the thing with rumours, some turn out to be correct, some partially, correct, some totally wrong, and some were correct at the time, but something Nikon were only considering and decided not to implement..

That's the problem with rumours, they are only rumours. "Nikon Rumours", although there ar others, tends to be fairly good, as they warn you about the quallity of their rumour source (based on their history of getting things right) and quickly publish retractions when it becomes obvious a rumour is incorrect..

But apart from their "New" items, they are still just rumours.
 
Most of the 'rumours' are nothing more than complete fabrications because most of the time there simply isn't any information at all and they need to keep driving traffic to the site. When they are correct it's usually because either they've guessed at so many different specs and releases they can't be wrong (the same as a broken clock still tells the correct time twice a day) there's actual information available in public (regulatory information or a leaked shot) from somewhere else. I don't know how these sites can still exist when they're posting such garbage most of the time and what particularly irritates me about them is they're always trying to convince people there's something just new around the corner so people hold off purchasing a new camera...then the new camera which is about to be announced isn't released for potentially years.
 
JohnMcL7 said:
Most of the 'rumours' are nothing more than complete fabrications because most of the time there simply isn't any information at all and they need to keep driving traffic to the site. When they are correct it's usually because either they've guessed at so many different specs and releases they can't be wrong (the same as a broken clock still tells the correct time twice a day) there's actual information available in public (regulatory information or a leaked shot) from somewhere else. I don't know how these sites can still exist when they're posting such garbage most of the time and what particularly irritates me about them is they're always trying to convince people there's something just new around the corner so people hold off purchasing a new camera...then the new camera which is about to be announced isn't released for potentially years.
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Agree. They're often not even rumours but wish lists.
 
JohnMcL7 said:
Most of the 'rumours' are nothing more than complete fabrications because most of the time there simply isn't any information at all and they need to keep driving traffic to the site. When they are correct it's usually because either they've guessed at so many different specs and releases they can't be wrong (the same as a broken clock still tells the correct time twice a day) there's actual information available in public (regulatory information or a leaked shot) from somewhere else. I don't know how these sites can still exist when they're posting such garbage most of the time and what particularly irritates me about them is they're always trying to convince people there's something just new around the corner so people hold off purchasing a new camera...then the new camera which is about to be announced isn't released for potentially years.
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I can't speak for other sites, as I have only occasionally visited them, but Nikon Rumours, in spite of its name is primarily a Nikon News site, and that's why I visit it. e.g. discount deals, officially announced new nikon related equipment, newly registered Nikon Cameras, CIPA reports, Nikon related videos etc

As I've just posted above I find this site to fairly cautious with its "rumours" and judging by the rumours re-posted in forums, it's also a pretty good place to debunk rumours coming from other sources.

The most recent rumour post was on the 14th December and came with a warning:

"I remember receiving a similar rumor back in 2022 – so take it with a grain of salt:"

Read more: https://nikonrumors.com/page/2/#ixzz8usKo1bT8
 
jknights said:
For many occasions especially where there is fast action.
I have kept my D500 and D810 all my other DSLR stuff has been traded for the Z cameras Z9, Z7, Zf. I just want a Z7iii now to replace the Z7.
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I have 2 D500's and a selection of zoom lenses, they meet all my requirements when shooting Live news for Alamy, I don't t see any reason to outlay more cash for mirrorless when considering they do their job very well.
 
JohnMcL7 said:
Most of the 'rumours' are nothing more than complete fabrications because most of the time there simply isn't any information at all and they need to keep driving traffic to the site. When they are correct it's usually because either they've guessed at so many different specs and releases they can't be wrong (the same as a broken clock still tells the correct time twice a day) there's actual information available in public (regulatory information or a leaked shot) from somewhere else. I don't know how these sites can still exist when they're posting such garbage most of the time and what particularly irritates me about them is they're always trying to convince people there's something just new around the corner so people hold off purchasing a new camera...then the new camera which is about to be announced isn't released for potentially years.
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That's why I get p***ed off with the f*****g lies and with photographers acting like children when they appear.
 
These sites and the rumours they spread, have certainly got under your skin.
If you think manufacturers aren't trying to stir up interest/keep people engaged/deflect from other competitors then you're mistaken. Information gets leaked, sometimes it's true, sometimes just to keep the conversation going. The site administrator does the exact same thing. Maybe he has someone feeding him or like you say guesses, either way until Nikon announce it, none is to be believed.
 
Hi Z* folk….

I’m currently researching z8 vs z6iii along with the other few million people out there.
Apologies if a boring subject.
1 feature difference which doesn’t get a lot of mention is the sensor shield in the z8. I wouldn’t choose one over the other specifically based on this, but it does strike me as fairly major feature.
Currently using a Sony a7r4 and dust is a pita especially for video.
Wondering if anyone any real world experience of this seriously helping or how well it actually works.
Also any pro cons of either from a wildlife video perspective with a 180-600.
TIA
 
orangeframestudio said:
Hi Z* folk….

I’m currently researching z8 vs z6iii along with the other few million people out there.
Apologies if a boring subject.
1 feature difference which doesn’t get a lot of mention is the sensor shield in the z8. I wouldn’t choose one over the other specifically based on this, but it does strike me as fairly major feature.
Currently using a Sony a7r4 and dust is a pita especially for video.
Wondering if anyone any real world experience of this seriously helping or how well it actually works.
Also any pro cons of either from a wildlife video perspective with a 180-600.
TIA
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The Z8 doesn’t have a mechanical shutter. The shutter on the Z6iii doesn’t close by default when the camera is switched off. On my Zf and previously owned Z6 I removed the battery with the camera powered up. This closes the shutter. After carefully changing lenses replace battery and fire the shutter to reset. It’s a bit of a clunky workaround but it works. Obviously care is required because it’s possible to damage the curtain as it’s close to the front of the lens mount.
 
orangeframestudio said:
Hi Z* folk….

I’m currently researching z8 vs z6iii along with the other few million people out there.
Apologies if a boring subject.
1 feature difference which doesn’t get a lot of mention is the sensor shield in the z8. I wouldn’t choose one over the other specifically based on this, but it does strike me as fairly major feature.
Currently using a Sony a7r4 and dust is a pita especially for video.
Wondering if anyone any real world experience of this seriously helping or how well it actually works.
Also any pro cons of either from a wildlife video perspective with a 180-600.
TIA
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I didn't actually realise the Z8 had this feature since it's disabled by default so I thought it was Z9 only, After getting a very stubborn dust spot on the Z8 I found it did have the shield and enabled it, it's only been a couple of months and no dust but that's not long enough to get a good idea how well it's working. When I was having a read around on the dust shield feature there seemed to be a decent amount of praise for it although while it may have been the type of dust, I couldn't easily remove it from the Nikon Z8 sensor while any dust on my Sony FE cameras has blown away fine.

The Z8 clearly has many advantages thanks to its stacked sensor however many of those don't translate to video.
 
JohnMcL7 said:
I didn't actually realise the Z8 had this feature since it's disabled by default so I thought it was Z9 only, After getting a very stubborn dust spot on the Z8 I found it did have the shield and enabled it, it's only been a couple of months and no dust but that's not long enough to get a good idea how well it's working. When I was having a read around on the dust shield feature there seemed to be a decent amount of praise for it although while it may have been the type of dust, I couldn't easily remove it from the Nikon Z8 sensor while any dust on my Sony FE cameras has blown away fine.

The Z8 clearly has many advantages thanks to its stacked sensor however many of those don't translate to video.
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It seems I’ve enabled it (I always follow one of the many set up guides on internet when setting up a new camera). Makes sense to use the feature if it’s available.
 
More from the Zf and Voigtlander 40mm f1.2
I've avowed to only shoot this lens wide open.
Used a 1/4 Black Mist Filter

if only red crosses appear, don't understand why.
Images appear when I preview the post but not after posting.
If anyone is curious enough to click through..thanks.

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Cry for the Moon by Trevor, on Flickr

2
High Strret Guildford by Trevor, on Flickr

3
The Three Pigeons Guildford by Trevor, on Flickr
 
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trevorbray said:
More from the Zf and Voigtlander 40mm f1.2
I've avowed to only shoot this lens wide open.
Used a 1/4 Black Mist Filter

if only red crosses appear, don't understand why.
Images appear when I preview the post but not after posting.
If anyone is curious enough to click through..thanks.

1
Cry for the Moon by Trevor, on Flickr

2
High Strret Guildford by Trevor, on Flickr

3
The Three Pigeons Guildford by Trevor, on Flickr
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I got this only on the third shot, but when I "quoted" to reply to this, the image became visible! I have also experienced this occasionally, but for no reason the images right themselves after a short while. Strange.
 
Stephen L said:
I got this only on the third shot, but when I "quoted" to reply to this, the image became visible! I have also experienced this occasionally, but for no reason the images right themselves after a short while. Strange.
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Strange indeed. The powers that be are aware. They reckon it’s a Flickr issue.
 
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