WAMT....what annoyed me today!

Oh, well it's kind of in support of your post about how sales people engage with couples.

The last time I heard of any salesperson asking for the man of the house was about 1974.
Probably the same here. Common practice though is , unless all the decision makers are there, dont bother. You can't close. They always have the get out of, " I have to run it by xyz.
There are common sales rules. Eg. For cars, rule No 1 identify decision maker. No 2
Get them to sit in it. Etc etc.
 
Probably the same here. Common practice though is , unless all the decision makers are there, dont bother. You can't close. They always have the get out of, " I have to run it by xyz.
There are common sales rules. Eg. For cars, rule No 1 identify decision maker. No 2
Get them to sit in it. Etc etc.
Sales 101, Budget availability, decision maker, need. If you can't qualify all 3 of those, you're wasting your time.
 
Sales 101, Budget availability, decision maker, need. If you can't qualify all 3 of those, you're wasting your time.

Agree, although since when has NEED been a factor in buying camera gear (or budget, or permission from the wife for that matter)
 
Oh, well it's kind of in support of your post about how sales people engage with couples.

The last time I heard of any salesperson asking for the man of the house was about 1974.
When I mentioned the incident involving my sister I said that, at that time, she had four children who are all adults now..my way of giving an idea how long ago it was , so..yes, it coud well have been that far back. It's just something that's stuck in my memory not least because I could just imagine what it was like for the poor salesman..lol. Infact..I've just recalled her words ."I make all the important decisions here so you better talk to me". Yes, that was it. :) My brother-in-law is an academic, wrote courses for the Open University and a retired Squadron Leader so, no slouch..It's often the way.
 
Agree, although since when has NEED been a factor in buying camera gear (or budget, or permission from the wife for that matter)

Well, there is a "personal need" for new kit, and as they say, it's better to seek forgiveness rather than permission!!
 
That me and my crack team ( OH & 2 grown up boys ) of diy’ers could’nt agree how much to trim off the airing cupboard fire door, after new carpet fitted.

I said 10mm, the others said 5mm. Eventually agreed on 6mm.

Managed to get it down and up the newly decorated stairs without incident, took off 6mm.

Can you guess the rest ????????
 
A woman driver.

I took some stuff to the recycling centre today. The helpful guy controlling people entering asked what I had and when he realised I didn't have much he grabbed it out of the boot and motioned me to turn the car around and head off rather than driving through the centre. As I was forward of where I needed to be to swing around he helpfully told me he'd get the car which had pulled up close behind me to reverse. So he told her. Would she reverse? Not even when I put my car in reverse and the reversing lights came on, not even when I started to reverse towards her. So I had to do a multi point turn whilst she sat hands on wheel staring straight ahead.
 
Getting halfway to Liclonshire on a mini (3 day) expedition to photograph the Cobra Warrior jets at Waddington and realising I'd left my step ladder at home!!! I had a list with EVERYTHING I needed on it but not "STEP LADDER" - I did call myself a few names :)
 
Speculation and timewasting on news programmes of what politicians might say later in the day. If they haven't said it yet, it isn't news, it's speculation! Now, wait............................
 
Green flag and all those other insurance people. My green flag ran out and they wanted a renewal of £182. So i cancelled the renewal, had to phone up of course, and set up new cover 1 day after the end date for £90. #sigh
 
Back in July I posted about how the staff at my wife's hairdressing salon turned up for work to find they'd been made redundant. A few weeks later they still hadn't received their June pay and whatever they worked in July and neither have they had any redundancy pay. My wife wife spoke to the manager..as was..yesterday and he told her that still remains the situation. I checked on what they will have to do. Go to an employment tribunal is the answer.
 
Today, my wife took a call from the dealership we bought our new car from to say that it's due for a service. We have a contract re service which includes two or three, I can't recall, MOT's. but it was a good deal. They've offered an extension. She was told that the brake fluid will need replacing. Cost ? £91. I called the garage I took my Prius to, before I sold it and before that my Audi A4. £50. I don't mind paying a bit over the odds, dealerships do charge more, but almost double ?
 
Today, my wife took a call from the dealership we bought our new car from to say that it's due for a service. We have a contract re service which includes two or three, I can't recall, MOT's. but it was a good deal. They've offered an extension. She was told that the brake fluid will need replacing. Cost ? £91. I called the garage I took my Prius to, before I sold it and before that my Audi A4. £50. I don't mind paying a bit over the odds, dealerships do charge more, but almost double ?
When I lived in London my local Mini dealer told me I needed new front discs after less than 25k. I checked and they looked fine to me. The same discs were on the car when I traded it at 67k, with it passing every MOT. In fact I asked the local independant to check the discs 2 years before I sold it and they said they were well within tolerance levels. That would have set me back the best part of £500. I had 5 cars (7 if you include my wife & son's cars) from that dealership, and they still treat you like a turd. Never went back there again, and we moved 5 years ago and found a great independant "German" specialist (VAG & BMW) 5 miles from where we now live.
 
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Funny you mention discs. A local garage told me that my Evoque's discs were badly scored and needed replacing, I looked at them and disagreed. It's since been to the main dealer for an MoT and service and they didn't mention them. Funny thing that. Perhaps the local garage should tell me something that can't so easily be seen needs replacing next time.
 
When I lived in London my local Mini dealer told me I needed new front discs after less than 25k. I checked and they looked fine to me. The same discs were on the car when I traded it at 67k, with it passing every MOT. In fact I asked the local independant to check the discs 2 years before I sold it and they said they were well within tolerance levels. That would have set me back the best part of £500. I had 5 cars (7 if you include my wife & son's cars) from that dealership, and they still treat you like a turd. Never went back there again, and we moved 5 years ago and found a great independant "German" specialist (VAG & BMW) 5 miles from where we now live.
Well, that comes as no surprise and what a coincidence. The garage I've been going to for years with the Audi and the Prius is also a BMW specialist. I've gone to them with something I thought needed sorting and they've said ,"no..not yet,come back in 6/8 months" or even.."It doesn't need doing". It's the same with the Tyre and Exhaust Centre here. I've been going to them for so long I can't recall how many years and they've, sometimes, turned me away and either said, there's no problem with the exhaust or a tyre doesn't need to be replaced.They have customers going back years and years. I tend to err on the side of over caution..over caution,really. That's how to get returning customers. The only thing re the Prius the BMW garage didn't want to deal with were the electrics and advised me to go to Toyota in Cheltenham.. 10 miles away.. I went there one day to get a new key fob. £165 !! They were unable to re-programme the old one. Lovely receptionist asked me if I'd like a coffee whilst I was waiting,. "Yes, I would and do you have any paracetamol to go with it ? " She laughed. I mentioned it to someone who said be grateful I didn't have a BMW ..£308 or a Merc E Class. . £300 . Well, no I'd quite like the 5-Series or E-Series..lol.

Back to our car. I said to my wife after we signed up to the servicing/MOT deal was that we need to check what we're going to be charged for things like oil change brake pads etc. The £91 for the brake fluid change came as a surprise...shock even, because she'd forgotten I'd told her we'd have to pay for parts etc.

It shouldn't be like this but it's like dealing with an enemy. I'll always remember Martin Lewis when he was a guest on a radio programme,I think it was Radio 4's Money Box on a Saturday at 12 noon,saying, "Treat the banks as the enemy".
 
TBH, £91 doesn't seem like a rip-off for a full brake fluid change. Break it down to the hourly rate for 2 technicians, fluid and disposal and it adds up pretty quickly!
 
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Break it down to the hourly rate for 2 technicians...
I wonder when "mechanics" became "technicians"?

I can just imagine my friend Mike making a typically ripe comment about his "not being a a poncy technician"! ;)
 
When they started plugging vehicles into computers (or the other way round) rather than looking, listening etc. to the vehicles (and customers).
 
TBH, £91 doesn't seem like a rip-off for a full brake fluid change. Break it down to the hourly rate for 2 technicians, fluid and disposal and it adds up pretty quickly!
In the last garage I worked in brake fluid change was a 10/15 minute job, attach machine to master cylinder, attach hose to bleed nipple in rotation then open it for a few seconds, old brake fluid went in tank in workshop heater that burned old oil etc, all done as part of regular service procedure so no additional charge except 500mlof brake fluid £6.
 
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Not sure how many places will charge by the minute rather than the "hour or part thereof" these days! Not sure if they're still allowed to burn waste oil etc. these days either.
 
TBH, £91 doesn't seem like a rip-off for a full brake fluid change. Break it down to the hourly rate for 2 technicians, fluid and disposal and it adds up pretty quickly!
But the other garage does it for £50 and still makes a profit. Anyway, any consumer guru ,including the Which? will tell you to avoid dealerships re servicing (unless it's in a package) and other work unless it's specialist. A comparison carried out by the website "Who can fix my car?" didn't dismiss the main dealerships but said this of run of the mill work.

"However, the website warns car owners who need brakes and exhaust work carried out to shun the dealership, as it will be invariably be more expensive (£221) compared to the typical £156 charged at a local independent or “fast-fit”.The same is true if your car needs its timing/cam belt changing or the clutch replacing. A vital cam belt change was quoted on average at £372 by main dealers compared to £227 by a “fast-fit”.

The main dealers also have to reflect the overheads that independents don't have.
 
Main dealers also use (or at least are supposed to use!) genuine parts rather than pattern or OEM. With brake fluid on a relatively new vehicle, I'd go main dealer (or marque specialist) rather than risk an independent using an incompatible/unsuitable (cheaper) fluid.
 
I wonder when "mechanics" became "technicians"?

I can just imagine my friend Mike making a typically ripe comment about his "not being a a poncy technician"! ;)

What about those who service refrigerators ,washing machines,spin dryers and coffee machines ? They call themselves 'engineers'. In France and Germany only fully-qualified engineers are allowed to use the title. Engineers are properly respected and well-paid there. As far as I'm concerned an enginneer works on complicated machinery and in the aircraft industry..working on jet engines etc. I think 'service technician' would be fine.
 
Main dealers also use (or at least are supposed to use!) genuine parts rather than pattern or OEM. With brake fluid on a relatively new vehicle, I'd go main dealer (or marque specialist) rather than risk an independent using an incompatible/unsuitable (cheaper) fluid.

That's a fair point but the one I've been going to specialises in BMWs. I wouldn't object to a BMW part in my car. :) I never had a problem with my Audi nor the Prius caused by poor quality oil or parts. I had to wait longer than expected on one occasion whilst they had a Unipart sent to them and as far as I know, Unipart deals in good quality parts.
 
Not sure how many places will charge by the minute rather than the "hour or part thereof" these days! Not sure if they're still allowed to burn waste oil etc. these days either.
Waste oil etc heaters have to checked and licensed to ensure they run correctly and so minimal pollution.
 
Main dealers also use (or at least are supposed to use!) genuine parts rather than pattern or OEM. With brake fluid on a relatively new vehicle, I'd go main dealer (or marque specialist) rather than risk an independent using an incompatible/unsuitable (cheaper) fluid.
Then you’ll be paying for the privilege of a posh label on the bottle, practically every car uses DOT4 brake fluid, KIA supplied brake fluid came in a pack of generic brake fluid containers marked Brake Fluid, no mention of KIA or Hyundai. But it’s your money,.
 
Manipulation of and by search engines.

I'll be vague and hope that you can follow me and have perhaps seen this yourself. I've heard about search engine results being skewed to show people results which suit a particular view or agenda other than what's the most popular thing today and I do believe this happens and it's understandable because the likes of Google themselves have an agenda and even if they didn't they exist and operate in a world in which there are other forces at play which they must at least appease to continue to operate. Today I was annoyed because I googled something which should be scientific and factual and I got links which looked to be very influenced by a particular view and agenda. I went to page 4 and it was all still the same. The thing I googled was pretty much side stepped and instead all I got was page after page on another opposing but related thing. I tried wording it differently both nothing changed.

To give a simple analogy. It's as if I googled "Apple recipes" and every response up to page 4 (as far as I looked) started with the phrase "Take four bananas." I think the information which is available to us being managed and that annoys me.
 
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This copy/paste below is taken from my post #15,655 (last Saturday) about the local garage I've been going to for a few years who quoted me £50 for a brake fluid change that the main dealer was going to charge £91 for as part of our servicing contract.

"The garage I've been going to for years with the Audi and the Prius is also a BMW specialist. I've gone to them with something I thought needed sorting and they've said ,"no..not yet,come back in 6/8 months" or even.."It doesn't need doing".

The car was booked in to have this brake fluid change this morning at 10.00am. At 9.00am I got a call to tell me that that it had been done this time last year but if I still wanted it doing then bring it in. Well, no, if it doesn't need doing ... a waste of money. What's obviously happened is that this time last year when a service was due the main dealer must have said the brake fluid needed changing and told us the cost. I must have checked this local garage and found it the same £40 or so, less and took it there and they saw it had been renewed after checking my records with them whilst seeing what work was coming in this morning.

I'm pretty darned sure most garages would have just ,uneccessarily,renewed it. We'll be offered another service contract next year, I don't doubt, and as the car will be out of guarantee we'll have the next service done at this local garage. When people are honest like that it's good for business but some don't seem realise that.
 
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Manipulation of and by search engines.

I'll be vague and hope that you can follow me and have perhaps seen this yourself. I've heard about search engine results being skewed to show people results which suit a particular view or agenda other than what's the most popular thing today and I do believe this happens and it's understandable because the likes of Google themselves have an agenda and even if they didn't they exist and operate in a world in which there are other forces at play which they must at least appease to continue to operate. Today I was annoyed because I googled something which should be scientific and factual and I got links which looked to be very influenced by a particular view and agenda. I went to page 4 and it was all still the same. The thing I googled was pretty much side stepped and instead all I got was page after page on another opposing but related thing. I tried wording it differently both nothing changed.

To give a simple analogy. It's as if I googled "Apple recipes" and every response up to page 4 (as far as I looked) started with the phrase "Take four bananas." I think the information which is available to us being managed and that annoys me.

I gave up with Google some three years ago for precisely that reason and switched to 'duck duck go'. Strange name, but it certainly gives better and more neutral search results.
 
I gave up with Google some three years ago for precisely that reason and switched to 'duck duck go'. Strange name, but it certainly gives better and more neutral search results.

I did give that a go but it blocked some sites with ads on them which I wanted to use. I suppose I could use it when Google thinks it knows what I should be viewing better than I do. One big worry is that the feeble minded will be swayed by the likes of google and what it points them to.
 
.., but it certainly gives bette.r and more neutral search results.
That used to be the case but now it's now gone all commercial with adverts on broadcast TV.

The results I'm seeing are heavily skewed to commercial sites, which I suspect pay for prominence. It's a pity as the duck started out very well as a non-commercial site.
 
It's time to renew my breakdown cover so I rang the AA and unsurprisingly my new quote was about £100 more than last year so I double checked that there was no auto renewal and went to the RAC where I got cover for less than I paid the AA last year.

Next year I'm sure I'll go through the exact same dance again. I'm sure the RAC will bump my quote up £100 and I'll end up back with the AA.

This seems to be the norm these days. Maybe they rely on people being stung through auto renewal?
 
It's time to renew my breakdown cover so I rang the AA and unsurprisingly my new quote was about £100 more than last year so I double checked that there was no auto renewal and went to the RAC where I got cover for less than I paid the AA last year.

Next year I'm sure I'll go through the exact same dance again. I'm sure the RAC will bump my quote up £100 and I'll end up back with the AA.

This seems to be the norm these days. Maybe they rely on people being stung through auto renewal?
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That's exactly what they do. I once told my insurance company, a phone renewal.."no auto renewal" As soon as the policy came I read the speel on the last page. "You have selected to pay future renewals by ****. I put **** because the terminology used wasn't 'auto-renewal, which by now has a bad name but some fancy label that bore no resemblance to what it actually was...deliberately, of course. I was on the phone in no time, told the lass I'd specifically stated 'no auto-renewal'. I got an apology. I asked for an Email confirmation but I received a letter a few days later confirning 'no auto-renewa'l. It catches out the unwary, those 'getting on' and those whose life is so busy they just file away the policy as soon as it arrives without checking everything written in it..It's usually on the back of the last page.
 
My gripe of the day, and it’s photography-related, is that I was photographing this afternoon’s Gaza protest in Edinburgh, and there seemed to be far more photographers than usual.

After the march, we came back to the stage space, which had three levels, for various speakers. Quite a few of the photographers went up there, so they could get shots of the crowd, but they were blocking the audience’s view of the speakers, and standing there, playing on their phones and not getting out of the way. GRR!
 
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I wanted to watch the Met Office weather forecast on tv earlier today and as I'd missed it twice, the usual times go awry at the weekends, I went to the Youtube version. My eye was caught by another Youtube listing about the idiots who annoy the Palace and Horse Guards guards. Re Horse Guards there's a notice about not getting close to the horse as they might bite. One women,about 60 years of age and who should have known better, was bitten. Others stood by the horse, tried to feed it and one person got hold of the bridle. All so their realatives/friends could take a photo. Some stood beyond the white barrier line and as the guards..just three or four of them, marched along one was obliged to shout, "stand clear" and on one occasions a women didn't and the squad marched on around her...ie either side of her.

Some tourists were making fun of an officer on duty by the sentry box. In a few clips the officer reacted shouting ":get back". One stood pulling faces trying to make the officer laugh and one man actually travelled from the US to tell him jokes to make him laugh . The narrator said he was a comedian/blogger over there. On a few occasions the armed police had to intervene and one young man was arrested. It eventually made me so annoyed I stopped watching. If I saw that behaviour I'd go to the person and say something and if that failed I'd push them away. It's so disrespectful.
 
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Call queues................ British Gas, Halifax Bank, Local Council................ Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! Some, obviously working from home, with screaming kids in the background! :rolleyes: :headbang:
 
Call queues................ British Gas, Halifax Bank, Local Council................ Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! Some, obviously working from home, with screaming kids in the background! :rolleyes: :headbang:
First message you usually hear is “sorry for any delay, we are busier than normal” well get with the normal and employ more staff!
 
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Replaced two bi-focal specs this morning... £585. One pair for everyday use £165 plus whatever the lens cost and the other just £85 plus lens for my iMac. No need to pay anything fancy for those as they stay permanently on my desktop. The computer specs required three upgrades. I haven't had new ones for about 4 years. My eyes get tired and, no doubt, account for the typos on here.

Not complaining about the cost..my wife paid £400 for one pair and her friend who had a sight issue had to pay £850. People do pay a lot. However, after choosing them, the dispensing optician "suggested" I could benefit from a coating that enhanced light at the back of the eye. If scratch-resistant lenses weren't standard I would happily pay extra for that coating but I've read some horror stories about these add-ons .I recall reading about the story of a lady whose elderly mother expected to pay about £40 for her glasses because she had an NHS voucher and another discount, something like that but after agreeing to the 'suggestions' by the dispensing optician came away £280 the poorer. I told the chap, this morning, that I didn't want coatings of any kind. I didn't want anti-glare if he was thinking of suggesting that,too. I got that hard-sell last time. It was a female dispensing optician who told me she.. "wouldn't be without it". On and on he went explaining how much better my sight would be with the extra light getting to the back of the eye AND... it's cheaper overall because I could have the second pair done at half price. He kept pushing that and the second time I was fed up and I told him that not having it would cost even less overall. Undaunted, he continued telling me about the benefit of this coating and I had to say. "Would you please stop. I've haven't had any trouble with light issues, the ones I have are fine could you please just measure up the bi-focals" What does he say..? "Yes, of course,no problem".My wife is sitting a few feet away listening to all this. I think we do need our wives or partners help us choose the specs that suit us best. I certainly do.

On one occasion, at Specsavers, years ago, the dispensing optician, a young man in his 20's, tried very hard to sell me variable focals rather than the bi-focals I was used to and very comfortable with. I just went to replace my regular specs. He told me if I wasn't comfortable with them they would replace them. They actually say "If you have any concerns within 100 days of purchase we will put it right" which isn't the same as replacing a pair you're not happy with. Anyway, I said I'd think about it. His reply ? He was clearly annoyed. "You'll just go home and won't come back " I should have asked for the prescription and walked out after making a complaint.

It can be quite stressful battling with these people ,with any purchase ,who want to upsell. A Currys chap once tried to sell me the extended warranty for an OLED LG TV and I said,no, pointing out to him that TVs..especially LG TVs have a 2% chance of going wrong and if it does it's most likely to do quite soon and, anyway, the LG warranty is for 5 years.. He then sighed and, with unnecessary force, hit his PC 'Return' key..to conclude the sale. and issue the receipt. I had the same with another of their sales assistants when I declined the extended warranty. He finished the paperwork and slammed the folder closed. It was just before I'd paid and afterwards I wished I'd just left the store...after telling the manager why. I suppose it's a case, these days, of c'est la vie.
 
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First message you usually hear is “sorry for any delay, we are busier than normal” well get with the normal and employ more staff!
You missed out the bit about "Your call is important to us!" I seem to speak to more "bots" than humans these days. They are about as useful as my own "bot" is at threading needles!
 
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