E-Cigarettes

Johnd2000 said:
Glantz is a well known anti-ecig campaigner. I've seems lots of crap from him. Yes there are trace amounts of harmful stuff in vapour, but they rarely mention that they're at levels way below recommended max daily exposure levels, or that NRTs have exactly the same traces elements. One Prof Farsalinos article noted that the study which identified formaldehyde in ecig vapour actually showed that they produce less formaldehyde than human respiration does naturally.

There were two articles in the Lancet this week. One in favour of medical regulation and one against. The anti-med regs piece (http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(13)70124-3/fulltext?_eventId=login) made a lot more sense.

I do feel the tide is beginning to turn. Even tobacco control professionals are starting to recognise that harm reduction offers benefits for the smokers that haven't already stopped (the hard core) and that medical regulation will stifle development of ecig technology. That's from a group who exist on Pharma funding. There's a very good video here: http://j.mp/132kNBU
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Hi John - what are NRT's?

Also, do you have a copy of the Lancet articles? I can't read from the link you posted - cheers.
 
You should try v-cig, I use the ego-k and find it works very well. I used to go through 30 a day and now with the ego k I can't stand the smell of smoke. I'm fully aware that I'm still getting nicotine and am currently working my way from high to low. Good luck
 
I've found my new "all day" atomiser; the Kanger T3S. Bought from Vape Escape.

I've had a couple of the previous models (the T3 and the MT3) but found they fell down in a few areas. The new model however, is easier to recoil (uses Protank heads) and doesn't leak or flood at all, even when nearly empty (a failing of the Protank). The flavour is as good as the EVOD, yet it holds nearly twice as much. It looks a bit "medical" (like many clearos), but sits well on an eGo battery and vapes like a bloody train on a VW device like the eVic. Really REALLY impressed.

I've got a £120 Kayfun 3.1ES coming for my birthday, but right now I can't imagine it can be much better (functionally) than the T3S.
 
Hi John,

Do you know of anywhere I can find info on what accessories are compatible with my Vapouriz Tank? There seems to be way too much choice and it all gets a bit involved with different clearomizers, atomizers, batteries etc.

3 weeks off the oily rags today after nearly 25 years!!!!! Still bloomin hard though :)
 
Phil1974 said:
Hi John,

Do you know of anywhere I can find info on what accessories are compatible with my Vapouriz Tank? There seems to be way too much choice and it all gets a bit involved with different clearomizers, atomizers, batteries etc.

3 weeks off the oily rags today after nearly 25 years!!!!! Still bloomin hard though :)
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Your vaporiz is basically a rebranded eGo battery and CE4 clearo (with a fixed or replaceable wick/coil unit). All very generic stuff.

The battery will take pretty much any clearo/carto/tank. The current CE4 uses an eGo connection (outer thread on the battery connector). The inner thread is the 510 thread, which would fit loads of better cartos.

If the CE4 isn't repairable, you want to replace it in a week or two. You'll notice over time that the amount of vapour will drop off and it will either lose flavour or start tasting burnt. CE4's and their variants can be bought at any vape shop, but if you get one, make sure the wicks/coils are replaceable (and buy spares)

The Kanger T3S (make sure its the S version) would work nicely with the battery and when that reaches the end, you just replace the small coil/wick unit (£2-3) rather than the whole thing. It holds a shade under 3ml, nearly twice the CE4, and being bottom coiled wont give you dry hits (nasty burnt taste).

HTH
 
Excellent stuff. Very helpful. I'm off to order some more bits and bobs. The GAS is nearly as addictive as smoking, but healthier :)
 
The vapouriz stuff is where I started, the one thing I will say for them is they're quality had always been superb :)
 
http://www.thevapourstore.ie/ is closing down, sadly. But good news is they're having a closing down sale. I ordered a bunch of stuff the other day and it arrived this morning. Just some BCC clearos, juices and some drip tips. Not a huge range on there, but you could save a few pennies and help them out on their way to close. Not sure what the postage to UK would be, but it was only €3 here for a good size package [non-registered]

The 50ml e-liquid section has some real 'juicy' bargains for example
 
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Cagey75 said:
http://www.thevapourstore.ie/ is closing down, sadly. But good news is they're having a closing down sale. I ordered a bunch of stuff the other day and it arrived this morning. Just some BCC clearos, juices and some drip tips. Not a huge range on there, but you could save a few pennies and help them out on their way to close. Not sure what the postage to UK would be, but it was only €3 here for a good size package [non-registered]

The 50ml e-liquid section has some real 'juicy' bargains for example
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Unfortunately pretty useless for UK customers, they won't post batteries or liquids to the UK.
 
That's odd, because I'm still ordering liquids from the UK with no issue.
 
Cagey75 said:
That's odd, because I'm still ordering liquids from the UK with no issue.
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The post office here just clamped down on rules regarding the sending of "hazardous materials". It's arguable whether e juices are "hazardous" in their given concentrations but some PO's won't accept them at the moment.

Mind you, I had no trouble getting 100ml of 72mg Nic base delivered by RM last week. :)
 
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Cagey75 said:
That's odd, because I'm still ordering liquids from the UK with no issue.
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It's in your link

Dellivery & Payment

Where do we deliver to:

We deliver to Ireland, UK and selected European countries.

Important Update - Owing to air safety regulations we can no longer send batteries or liquid by post internationally.
This applies only to customers in UK/Europe, customers in Ireland are not affected.
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Yeah, spotted it after your post, went to check their T&C.

I meant it's odd, even knowing that now, that I can still order juices and batt's from UK without any hassle. Maybe some sites just take the chance? don't label the packages as holding anything of the sort?
 
Cagey75 said:
Yeah, spotted it after your post, went to check their T&C.

I meant it's odd, even knowing that now, that I can still order juices and batt's from UK without any hassle. Maybe some sites just take the chance? don't label the packages as holding anything of the sort?
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I think it's more that some sites (like that one) are just overreacting on what they consider hazardous.
 
After having a heart attack on Friday I have so far not craved for a smoke, I am hoping it will stay that way. I appreciate it is will power but at the same time if I do feel the need in a few days, a week, a fortnight, I would like to be prepared and not be in a position that I am so wound up and tearing the place down. I was contemplating packing it in prior to the attack ( a bit late I know ) as the wife had quit and I had found myself smoking less anyhow, and the electronic cig would have been my method. Nowhere can I find though if this is actually a safe alternative after having stents put in place. I phoned a couple of places and they said speak to my GP. Having done that earlier today he phoned me back with what I thought he might say. No data on it as to how safe they are and he recommends patches or other means via NHS :shrug: If anybody has any info I would appreciate it, should I even be thinking of anything after the latest events in my life?
 
That's nearly a week already on willpower alone. Good going Rich, keep it up (without the gizmos if at all possible). (y)
 
ZoneV said:
That's nearly a week already on willpower alone. Good going Rich, keep it up (without the gizmos if at all possible). (y)
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Well that is what I am hoping will happen, my appetite and taste buds are certainly improving. There are quite a few emotional mood swings after having a stroke I wonder if that will put even more pressure on me :shrug: And preparing myself for any situation in the future, it will be better I suppose to reach for one of these gizmo`s rather than the easy option of walking into a shop.
 
u8myufo said:
Well that is what I am hoping will happen, my appetite and taste buds are certainly improving. There are quite a few emotional mood swings after having a stroke I wonder if that will put even more pressure on me :shrug: And preparing myself for any situation in the future, it will be better I suppose to reach for one of these gizmo`s rather than the easy option of walking into a shop.
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Yes, I see where you're coming from but if you buy into the whole ecig thing now, will you be tempted to use it even though you don't need to?
 
ZoneV said:
Yes, I see where you're coming from but if you buy into the whole ecig thing now, will you be tempted to use it even though you don't need to?
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I have already thought of that :LOL:
 
How do you feel in general now? after that fright?? And best of luck in recovery :)


It was health-scare that forced me into finally quitting too. Not quite as severe as yours, but my breathing was shot, I was panting for air when I'd wake at night, and my chest felt like it was in ribbons. I'd say I was heading the same way as you. My cholesterol was also through the roof.

I started on the plain e-cig's, the smokegreen type. Just bought a starter kit and thought it'll take the edge off the cravings. It did! it was hard, I still had urges for a fewweeks, but I'm now on day 197, saved a fortune, my breathiing has improved, my cholesterol is at least nearing normal levels and I find I'm less tired during the day too.

I advanced to e-cig 'mods' and building my own wicks for dripping atomizers and buying bottles of juices instead of pre-filled carts, but it's really all the same. You can just control your intake better when you fill these things yourself.


Nobody really knows, not doc's, not the makers of the juices ... but I like to think that vaping is no worse than using the patches.

Until they can absolutely prove otherwise, it's keeping me well away from the stinkies.

Good luck! I hope you too make it to 197 days off :)
 
Just thought I would update this thread with a customer service experience I am more than happy with.

After three months without a smoke I treated myself to a totally wicked odyssey simply as I loved the look of it and thought that although expensive at £90 it's not cheap but considerably cheaper than cigs so a treat.

After two months I was no longer overly impressed with the unit so emailed them to see if I could improve the way it works. Over the space of a couple of hours a large number of emails had bounced back and for with advice and a new charger, different battery and cart are being posted free of charge to see if I can get a better vape.

I'm really impressed with the speed of response and the feeling that the company really want their customers to enjoy their products.

Tw get a load of stick on various forums but even if the suggested fixes don't suit my requirements there is absolutely nothing that TW hav not done to try and ensure that the product is working at the best of its ability at their own cost when in reality they did not need to have gone as far as they have. A big thumbs up.
 
Cagey75 said:
How do you feel in general now? after that fright?? And best of luck in recovery :)


It was health-scare that forced me into finally quitting too. Not quite as severe as yours, but my breathing was shot, I was panting for air when I'd wake at night, and my chest felt like it was in ribbons. I'd say I was heading the same way as you. My cholesterol was also through the roof.

I started on the plain e-cig's, the smokegreen type. Just bought a starter kit and thought it'll take the edge off the cravings. It did! it was hard, I still had urges for a fewweeks, but I'm now on day 197, saved a fortune, my breathiing has improved, my cholesterol is at least nearing normal levels and I find I'm less tired during the day too.

I advanced to e-cig 'mods' and building my own wicks for dripping atomizers and buying bottles of juices instead of pre-filled carts, but it's really all the same. You can just control your intake better when you fill these things yourself.


Nobody really knows, not doc's, not the makers of the juices ... but I like to think that vaping is no worse than using the patches.

Until they can absolutely prove otherwise, it's keeping me well away from the stinkies.

Good luck! I hope you too make it to 197 days off :)
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I feel really good Keith to be honest, the surgeon looked at me in the eye after the OP and said, we have done all what we can for you, you are on your own now. Believe me I have shrugged off and ignored a lot of things people have said to me over the years, but those words have been write protected I think ;) In my other thread I mention that most who have the Op do end up looking much better than before they went in. I had been putting up with a lot of small niggling things that were apparently associated with the attack. Pins and needles in the arms and legs after waking up in the morning, pains in the spine which I thought was associated with all the manual lifting I do at work. Gone, the lot of it at the moment. Well you are doing great as well Keith :clap::clap: All the best for you also (y)
 
u8myufo said:
I feel really good Keith to be honest, the surgeon looked at me in the eye after the OP and said, we have done all what we can for you, you are on your own now. Believe me I have shrugged off and ignored a lot of things people have said to me over the years, but those words have been write protected I think ;) In my other thread I mention that most who have the Op do end up looking much better than before they went in. I had been putting up with a lot of small niggling things that were apparently associated with the attack. Pins and needles in the arms and legs after waking up in the morning, pains in the spine which I thought was associated with all the manual lifting I do at work. Gone, the lot of it at the moment. Well you are doing great as well Keith :clap::clap: All the best for you also (y)
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Did you have the heart attack, then stop smoking, or the other way round?

I've met several local Vapers who've had heart attacks and they've all said their doctors approved of their vaping. I guess they'd rather they just gave up, but ecigs or NRT will have much the same effect and theyre both much safer than smoking. I don't know if heart patients are allowed champix, but if offered it, be careful. It can have really horrible side-effects (depression and suicide).

I saw a dealer with blister-packed ego batteries and CE5 carts, plus a charging cable and a free bottle of juice for about £8. Think it was Paradise Vapes. Whatever you do, it wouldn't hurt to throw one of those in a drawer for a rainy day.
 
I read it as he was smoking up until the attack? Could be wrong. Either way though, I agree, ANYTHING will be better than smoking. There's around 4000 chemicals in analogue cig's, none of them any good for your health. The odds are way against smokers.

AKAIK, e-juices are mostly made up of glycerine, nicotine, and flavourings. Now I'm not naive enough to think that's it, but I doubt there's a whole heap more.
 
Cagey75 said:
I read it as he was smoking up until the attack? Could be wrong. Either way though, I agree, ANYTHING will be better than smoking. There's around 4000 chemicals in analogue cig's, none of them any good for your health. The odds are way against smokers.

AKAIK, e-juices are mostly made up of glycerine, nicotine, and flavourings. Now I'm not naive enough to think that's it, but I doubt there's a whole heap more.
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I read it as that, too - smoking up until the attack and hasn't touched them (or anything) since, which will be a week tomorrow.

I agree that ecigs are better than smoking and ideal for a smoker who's struggling to make that first step to quit, but for someone who's already gone a week without a fag I see ecigs as a backward step.
 
Cagey75 said:
AKAIK, e-juices are mostly made up of glycerine, nicotine, and flavourings. Now I'm not naive enough to think that's it, but I doubt there's a whole heap more.
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As I understand it, there are potential complications from vaporising some flavourings and even PG at very high temps. Potentially harmful toxins can be produced, although in very small amounts (way below permitted daily levels). My view is, as one tobacco control expert put it, "hey, you smoke. You REALLY don't need to worry about the risk of ecigs".
 
It's like this, the government, the ones who really cream off the top, would hate everyone to just quit, point blank. If they really cared about our health, cig's would have been banned or classed as illegal drugs many years ago. But they make way too much off them.

E-cig's are taking a good chunk of that change away. They don't like it. So they're bullying and scare-mongering. That is what's happening.

Every year tobacco kills more people than World War II, AIDS, cocaine, heroin, alcohol, vehicular accidents, homicide and suicide combined.

That sounds like a mad statement. But it's statistically true.

How shocking is it then, that they have never been banned?
 
Johnd2000 said:
Did you have the heart attack, then stop smoking, or the other way round?
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Smoking up until they came and picked me up in the Ambulance John. I had mentioned to lots of people in the past the day I give it up is the day they tell me I have to not when they keep saying have I considered doing it. Yes, feel free to call me what you like with that attitude, because I have been called a lot worse than that in my life ;) I was on roll ups, and whilst none of it is good for us I had my doubts on a lot of the cheap baccy I was buying in, that imho is where an even bigger problem is as to what things are in it. I was fooling myself that yeh, my Heart is a big strong muscle and I have a good strong pulse. What I overlooked was the small bits in and around the Heart that keep it going ;) But I now have a permanent reminder for those that have not seen this. FFS I might be down the town centre later on a soap box preaching :LOL::LOL:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=h7GPb5-PHkY#at=15
 
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u8myufo said:
Smoking up until they came and picked me up in the Ambulance John. I had mentioned to lots of people in the past the day I give it up is the day they tell me I have to not when they keep saying have I considered doing it. Yes, feel free to call me what you like with that attitude, because I have been called a lot worse than that in my life ;) I was on roll ups, and whilst none of it is good for us I had my doubts on a lot of the cheap baccy I was buying in, that imho is where an even bigger problem is as to what things are in it. I was fooling myself that yeh, my Heart is a big strong muscle and I have a good strong pulse. What I overlooked was the small bits in and around the Heart that keep it going ;) But I now have a permanent reminder for those that have not seen this. FFS I might be down the town centre later on a soap box preaching :LOL::LOL:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=h7GPb5-PHkY#at=15
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I wouldn't call you anything, mate. I was only asking because it's not uncommon for people who give up to have heart attacks as part of the nic withdrawal. I'm an ex-smoker, not necessarily an anti-smoker. We all have our drugs of choice, even the MEP who tweeted that he needed red bull to get through the anti-ecig vote in Brussels!

The "cheap baccy" may well have been a factor, though. Counterfeit fags can be up to 3 times as dangerous as normal tobacco and, of course, we'll be seeing a lot more of it when plain packaging comes in. :(
 
Well the OH has just ordered everything he needs to make up his own e-liquid. About £35 spent which should make up roughly 300ml of liquid (in 3 different flavours), definately the way to go if he can get it to taste right. Hes bought flaouring from Decadent vapours as he knows he likes their flavours, but has bought the nicotine base and the VG from totally wicked as it was much cheaper.
 
panther_87k said:
Well the OH has just ordered everything he needs to make up his own e-liquid. About £35 spent which should make up roughly 300ml of liquid (in 3 different flavours), definately the way to go if he can get it to taste right. Hes bought flaouring from Decadent vapours as he knows he likes their flavours, but has bought the nicotine base and the VG from totally wicked as it was much cheaper.
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The Alchemist Cupboard is half the price of TW for 72mg 50ml bottles.

One thing to remember is nicotine degrades quite quickly in light and heat. I keep my base in brown glass bottles (it can corrode plastic over time) in the freezer.

Be VERY careful handing base. It's highly toxic. Rubber gloves are a must.
 
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thanks for the info john, i'll let him know for next time. Hes got some surgical gloves and already plans to freeze the nic base
 
Just as an update,
all is going well in my new hobby!
One downside I've realised though is that I may need to start selling a lens or two to help finance it. The starter kit is now the backup kit, replaced by a vision spinner and vivi nova.

Can see a vamo being ordered soon but will wait until fasttech have the V4
 
Yeah, don't expect 'fast'tech to be very ... fast, on delivery. I waited near 3 weeks for the Vamo V3 from them.

Oh, and the V3 is dirt. The V2 SS was way more solid. Already the screen on mine has some kind of fogging on it that won't come off. No idea how it happened. My 5 month old V2 is still fine.
 
Cagey75 said:
Yeah, don't expect 'fast'tech to be very ... fast, on delivery. I waited near 3 weeks for the Vamo V3 from them.

Oh, and the V3 is dirt. The V2 SS was way more solid. Already the screen on mine has some kind of fogging on it that won't come off. No idea how it happened. My 5 month old V2 is still fine.
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you do need to bear in mind that fasttech are chinese, anything bought from china takes generally 2-4 weeks to be delivered to here (in my experience anyway)
 
I know this, I've bought from HK many times. Just little bits and bobs, as in Ireland we get sucker punched with charges on anything over €22.Nothing has ever taken 3 weeks though in the past.
 
perhaps you've been lucky in the past, most things ive bought form HK have taken 2-3 weeks at least occasionally 4 weeks
 
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