Nikon Z* mirrorless

myotis said:
The Z50 II rumours have only just appeared on Nikon Rumors so it seems far too early to expect them to have heard anything about a possible release date.
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The rumour has been running for ages and that's my point. Plus I haven't heard or seen that the firmware hold up for the z9 was due to the failing Z7 as it was only meant to be for the one model. Obviously another false rumour.
 
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lunar22 said:
that's being a bit unfair to rumour sites

If you're a gear junkie, then you're a lost soul and will inevitably read rumour sites. I should know......
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I'm not a gear junkie as some, but when you come across numerous photography videos spouting the same garbage, it gets a little annoying.
 
dcash29 said:
The rumour has been running for ages and that's my point. Plus I haven't heard or seen that the firmware hold up for the z9 was due to the failing Z7 as it was only meant to be for the one model. Obviously another false rumour.
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Lots of rumours fly around about lots of things, but I have only seen specs for a Z50II mentioned on Nikon Rumours in the last week or so, which means, for me, it's only recently become a rumour worth listening to. They have suggeste for some time that a Z50II is a likely next Nikon camera release, but I don't count that as rumour, just them making an educated guess.

Again, there may well have been rumours floating around about a Z9 firmware upgrade but the most recent rumour (on Nikon rumours) as far as I can remember, was for a multi-model firmware upgrade, with I think a suggested date period, which didn't happen, and they came back with the Z7 explanation.

But they are still just rumours, gathered from a range of sources, not announcements of events known to happen, so it's to be expected they will get things wrong,

But that isn't the same as just making things up, which I don't believe Nikon Rumours does,

Nikon Rumors is the only rumours site I look at, and there may well be others. I have occasionally been duped into clicking on a Youtube rumour type video, but these have always been obvious fiction, and quickly closed. I never click on them now.
 
Pulled the trigger on the new TTArtisan 75mm f2.0 AF for my Zf. Delivery due in mid-October.

TTARTISAN AF 75mm F2 Full Frame Auto Focus Lens for Nikon Z-Mount Camera £199 at Amazon UK.​

 
I’m amazed more updates haven’t come along yet with the announcement of the imaging cloud service Nikon were offering which is very select in what models it works with.

I tend to read all rumours with a pinch of salt…the buzz around the ZF when it was first announced and the Nikon Rumors site constantly saying it was 45MP and when released it wasn’t spelt the end of reading much into rumour sites.
 
In general, rumour (correct spelling!) sites simply write what they, the authors, want to see, not what may be in the pipeline.
 
wibbly said:
I’m amazed more updates haven’t come along yet with the announcement of the imaging cloud service Nikon were offering which is very select in what models it works with.

I tend to read all rumours with a pinch of salt…the buzz around the ZF when it was first announced and the Nikon Rumors site constantly saying it was 45MP and when released it wasn’t spelt the end of reading much into rumour sites.
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I wonder if you might be mixing up rumour sites. I can't remember Nikon Rumors saying it was a 45mp sensor and indeed on the 1st of August 2023 they posted

"New Nikon Zf 45MP full-frame retro mirrorless camera for $2,000 sounds too good to be true – I am now skeptical

I still do not have a confirmation that a new Nikon Zf 45MP full-frame retro mirrorless camera for $2,000 will be announced tomorrow – this rumor just sounds too good to be true.

The latest tip I received indicates a 24MP sensor, dual memory cards, and an announcement later in August/September. [their bold]

Usually, the lack of solid leaks and rumors indicated no official announcement anytime soon."

Read more: https://nikonrumors.com/2023/08/01/...e-true-i-am-now-sceptical.aspx/#ixzz8mqnOLiHg

And as far as I can see, apart from this mention, they always refer to it probably having a 24mp sensor. The next post on August the 6th says "everything points to a 24MP sensor"

After that there are frequent updates and I only clicked on a few of them, but they all referred to a 24mp sensor.

Within the bounds that Nikon Rumours emphasise caution over what they post, I've found them pretty reliable, and although I don't visit other Nikon rumour sites, Nikon Rumors seem to be the best place for getting rumours with no foundation debunked.
 
myotis said:
I wonder if you might be mixing up rumour sites. I can't remember Nikon Rumors saying it was a 45mp sensor and indeed on the 1st of August 2023 they posted

"New Nikon Zf 45MP full-frame retro mirrorless camera for $2,000 sounds too good to be true – I am now skeptical

I still do not have a confirmation that a new Nikon Zf 45MP full-frame retro mirrorless camera for $2,000 will be announced tomorrow – this rumor just sounds too good to be true.

The latest tip I received indicates a 24MP sensor, dual memory cards, and an announcement later in August/September. [their bold]

Usually, the lack of solid leaks and rumors indicated no official announcement anytime soon."

Read more: https://nikonrumors.com/2023/08/01/...e-true-i-am-now-sceptical.aspx/#ixzz8mqnOLiHg

And as far as I can see, apart from this mention, they always refer to it probably having a 24mp sensor. The next post on August the 6th says "everything points to a 24MP sensor"

After that there are frequent updates and I only clicked on a few of them, but they all referred to a 24mp sensor.

Within the bounds that Nikon Rumours emphasise caution over what they post, I've found them pretty reliable, and although I don't visit other Nikon rumour sites, Nikon Rumors seem to be the best place for getting rumours with no foundation debunked.
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I’m pretty certain rumours were floating around that the Zf was 45MP as I have a Z7ii & would have jumped much earlier towards it if it had been 45MP. I recall some back tracking from wherever that it was ‘only 24MP’. I guess NR could delete random threads about specs that are way off, but heaven forbid they’d do that kind of thing. :)

All semantics anyway. It is what it is and for one I do believe Nikon are heading in the right direction at present which is good to see.
 
wibbly said:
I’m pretty certain rumours were floating around that the Zf was 45MP as I have a Z7ii & would have jumped much earlier towards it if it had been 45MP. I recall some back tracking from wherever that it was ‘only 24MP’. I guess NR could delete random threads about specs that are way off, but heaven forbid they’d do that kind of thing. :)

All semantics anyway. It is what it is and for one I do believe Nikon are heading in the right direction at present which is good to see.
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I'm not suggesting there weren't. Indeed Nikon Rumors confirm there were , because in the quote I posted, they say they don't believe them.

NR could delete random threads, but that seems a tremendous amount of work, Especially given that they tend to be cautious in what they report, and often publish updates where they fully admit that an earlier rumour has turned out to be incorrect.

The point of me checking what they had said was because I couldn't remember them saying there would be a 45mp Zf (and I was l closely following this particular rumour), but obviously, based on what NR have said, other sources were.

But, as you say, overall, after a slightly dodgy start, the Nikon mirrorless system is really coming together now. Which is good for me, as after over 50 years of using Nikon ( and occasionally "adding" Canon, Olympus, Fuji and Panasonic (and others) to my toolbox) I won't be switching from Nikon.
 
A 45MP Zf(s) is still possible and even desired by many of us.
I certainly would buy one as it is really what I want to replace my Z7.
 
I've run both FX and DX for a number of years. The 20MP sensor produces great images.
The lack of DX primes is the achilles heel of the Z Dx.
It might be worth waiting to see if the rumours about an imminenet Z50 are correct.
If you are switching from a ZF body then the Z50 etc. AF is not as fast - also 3D tracking is not as good.
But my Z50 (sold it now) was light and handy for walking and hols.

The latest noise reduction software is useful for DX.

All IMO of course.
 
Peter123 said:
I've run both FX and DX for a number of years. The 20MP sensor produces great images.
The lack of DX primes is the achilles heel of the Z Dx.
It might be worth waiting to see if the rumours about an imminenet Z50 are correct.
If you are switching from a ZF body then the Z50 etc. AF is not as fast - also 3D tracking is not as good.
But my Z50 (sold it now) was light and handy for walking and hols.

The latest noise reduction software is useful for DX.

All IMO of course.
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I think there are now some - not many - 3rd party lenses available, eg, Viltrox 56mm. From my own experience the files from my Zfc are excellent, and AF speed is not a great concern for many. Again, from my experience, I have found the 24-200 FX sits quite nicely on it, and has IS, which in my opinion is one of the greatest achilles heels of the C.
 
I have z6/z50 and in good light I would struggle to identify which image came from which. The FF files give you a bit more latitude when editing and when the light drops you can start to see more of a difference. That’s all I have noticed.
 
jknights said:
I dont know if is the combo of the camera and lens or just the post processing but I do love these renderings.

Is this a Zf B&W direct rendering or a colour NEF converted to B&W?
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Colour NEF processed in LR with RNI Ilford Delta 100, 60 sec with Haida VND. The RNI profiles don’t touch the sliders like a preset does. I also like the Nikon Deep Tone Monochrome but it didn’t suit this shot.
 
A few more photos from my weekend trips to the deer rut at Woburn.

Red Deer Stag by -Rob'81-

Red Deer Stag by -Rob'81-

Red Deer Stag by -Rob'81-

The rut behaviour has started now so the above photos tried to captured that. I have a few more to share later too.

One of these photos had another deer quite large in the background. The AI removal tool on lightroom did a good job removing it. It’s amazing how good the AI editing tools are now getting.

The subject detect option for selecting just the subject is a great tool which previously I’d have done manually with the brush tool. It always took a while for deer due to the antlers.

It definitely saves time editing compared to a few years ago.
 
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The sun popped up above the hill to give some nice back lighting.the 400 f4.5 behaved quite well considering shooting towards the light.


Young Red Deer at Sunrise by Rob Cain, on Flickr

I have another of this fight but the road was running across the frame as they were right next to an access road to the pay booth. I saw a very thin patch of verge as the access road bends at this point. By getting low to the verge I was able to hide most of the road whilst getting a nice sun lit foreground.


Sunrise Fight by Rob Cain, on Flickr
 
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petrolhead said:
Supprised no recent firmware for the Z8

Would like to see a ZFc II with IBIS
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Recent post from Nikon Rumors. Firmware was supposed to be updated weeks ago.

“These updates were supposed to be released months ago, but they’ve been delayed because of some major issues with Nikon’s Imaging Cloud and the Z7II. Apparently, backporting the functionality to the Z7II was way more complicated than anyone expected, which is what’s been holding everything up. The firmware updates for the Nikon Zf, Z8, and Z9 are going to seriously boost image processing. About the Z7II, it was supposed to get an update too, but they ran into some technical issues specific to that model. Internal tests showed compatibility problems that need more time to fix. It’s a bummer for Z7II users, but Nikon wants to make sure the firmware is rock solid before releasing it.”
 
wilt said:
With regards to the rumoured firmware, you'd think if it's true they'd have released it for the other cameras and said it'll come to the Z7II soon.
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That would have been the common sense approach but is the delay rumour actually true?
 
dcash29 said:
I don't give a toss about their cloud.
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I agree. This everything internet connected is all very well until there is an 'outage' then nothing works. I see it as a silly Silicon Valley obsession.
 
jknights said:
I agree. This everything internet connected is all very well until there is an 'outage' then nothing works. I see it as a silly Silicon Valley obsession.
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We're very happy to have a phone constantly connected and it's a marvel.
A camera that can send images directly to your cloud/desktop/phone, giving another level of backup is certainly a step forward in my opinion.
The reason I was mentioning the Z6III video is because I feel that the firmware that brings imaging cloud, could also be the one that brings other improvements.
 
wilt said:
We're very happy to have a phone constantly connected and it's a marvel.
A camera that can send images directly to your cloud/desktop/phone, giving another level of backup is certainly a step forward in my opinion.
The reason I was mentioning the Z6III video is because I feel that the firmware that brings imaging cloud, could also be the one that brings other improvements.
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I am also happy to have a reliable fibre connection, but it doesn’t alter the fact that, as an ex- IT security manager, I have a deep distrust of storing my data on someone else’s server. Not for reliability or speed issues, but from wariness of the solvency of those organisations. And before you say that it’s unlikely that Nikon, or anyone, will go bust, most of the organisations offering storage outsource it to storage farms dog knows where. Obviously they have their own server farms, but they are usually used solely for their own, or allied large organisations, data. Not joe public’s.
 
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